Uncalled Cheap Shots

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

With regard to perspective, this should be said at some point. For the commenter on the video to suggest that all 6 of the fouls in question are flagrant is laughable. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt with regard to proper terms, if he thinks all these fouls are in the same category, it's almost as bad.

Personally, I think 5 is the only one which could possibly be considered flagrant.

The person who posted the video (as well as a couple of other featuring HHS on YouTube) has limited knowledge of the rules.

Looking at those other videos, I have a strong belief that Red 24 & Red 34 had a hand in White 34 playing physically, as they both play as if the rule is "no blood, no foul".

So the finger should not be pointed only at one team.

[rockyroad]

I have some inside information here...my son's college roommate is a Conneel grad and emailed us the link to this video yesterday along with some other info.

1)The poster of the video is a high school student at the "red" school and the two schools are fairly bitter rivals.

2)The two white players who are instigating most of the conflict in the video were both on the football team of the home school and apparently there was some sort of altercation between the two schools during the football season earlier this year.

So...what difference does any of this make? First - we can stop complaining about the person not knowing basketball rules - they don't. End of story. Second - the players are both goons and 34 at least should have been tossed. Why they weren't??? Who knows...maybe rookiedude can offer some insight as I believe the officials would be from his association.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I have some inside information here...my son's college roommate is a Conneel grad and emailed us the link to this video yesterday along with some other info.

1)The poster of the video is a high school student at the "red" school and the two schools are fairly bitter rivals.

2)The two white players who are instigating most of the conflict in the video were both on the football team of the home school and apparently there was some sort of altercation between the two schools during the football season earlier this year.

So...what difference does any of this make? First - we can stop complaining about the person not knowing basketball rules - they don't. End of story. Second - the players are both goons and 34 at least should have been tossed. Why they weren't??? Who knows...maybe rookiedude can offer some insight as I believe the officials would be from his association.

Only half right, as they are not actually rivals in the true sense of the word. I can think of a couple of other schools that are bitter rivals that require more presence.

Again the video poster is being biased, so the whole story is not known except for by those that were there. Looking at other videos posted by this "student" the 2 red players being targeted play very physical games.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

..... they are not actually rivals in the true sense of the word. .

What is the true sense of the word?

[chseagle]

There's a possibility of sanctions now thanks to the "student" showing only one side of the story.

Local athlete's alleged misconduct sparks outrage | KIMA CBS 29 - News, Weather and Sports - Yakima, WA | - Yakima, Washington 29 | Local & Regional

Unfortunately, as I've already said, only things seen via the video are the actions of one player on one team, what about the actions of the other team?

For every action, there is an opposite, but equal reaction.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

There's a possibility of sanctions now thanks to the "student" showing only one side of the story.

Local athlete's alleged misconduct sparks outrage | KIMA CBS 29 - News, Weather and Sports - Yakima, WA | - Yakima, Washington 29 | Local & Regional

Unfortunately, as I've already said, only things seen via the video are the actions of one player on one team, what about the actions of the other team?

For every action, there is an opposite, but equal reaction.

If they issue sanctions without seeing the entire game film, your state has other issues.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If they issue sanctions without seeing the entire game film, your state has other issues.

In order for the state to see the whole game, they would have to ask for the game film from either school.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is the true sense of the word?

Rival: A competitor (person, team, company, etc.) who is well known to another and has similar skills and achievements. Defeating a rival may be a primary or necessary goal of a competitor.

There have not been similar skill sets & achievements between the two schools.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Rival: A competitor (person, team, company, etc.) who is well known to another and has similar skills and achievements. Defeating a rival may be a primary or necessary goal of a competitor.

There have not been similar skill sets & achievements between the two schools.

Seriously? Do you really think people look up this definition before saying a school is their rival? Seriously?

You know, there is nothing wrong with taking things literally, but sometimes people say things that have an underlying message. I don't think you got it when asked about the true sense of the word; I didn't take that as a call for a definition of rival. Even if I did, after reading the definition I would not post the definition after realizing rivals are made up of more than this definition. For instance, schools that are close - with kids that grew up together attending each - may be considered rivals. Thinking that one must compare trophy cases before considering schools rivals is just...

[kwatson]

My two cents:

Did anyone notice #34 and #42 talking and slapping hands after some of the fouls? Seems this may have been pre planned?

It does not matter that the person taking the video only filmed the "rough plays" being made by the white team. If it was the same on both ends the refs should be sanctioned for letting it go to a football game, or they should have changed uniforms and moved it outside to the grass.

Just basically, in my opinion, very poor officiating. I mean when you get a player that runs 3ft then shoves another player 10ft away and you call a common foul? wth!!!

chs, although I dont like talking about other posters on the boards, as I know very little myself, I feel as your comments may be a little one sided against the AD and defending the white team. It really does not matter if play was rough on the other end of the floor, it does not make what the white team is doing ok.

Again, just my two cents.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Looking at those other videos, I have a strong belief that Red 24 & Red 34 had a hand in White 34 playing physically, as they both play as if the rule is "no blood, no foul".

So the finger should not be pointed only at one team.

Do you have any other clips from the game in question? If we could see some of these actions you attribute to red, it could give a better context to the game (besides what we've been provided thus far).

I'll also say that even independent of what you may provide, the plays alone do not alter my opinion of the plays in question.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Do you have any other clips from the game in question? If we could see some of these actions you attribute to red, it could give a better context to the game (besides what we've been provided thus far).

I'll also say that even independent of what you may provide, the plays alone do not alter my opinion of the plays in question.

I wish I did have more game clips. It would have been nice if the "student" would have provided action on both sides of the court instead of just his/her team's.

I am making observations based on a couple of other videos the person posted that happened right before this game. In those games, from what was shown, Red 34 & 24 are playing very physically.

Basically I'm in the same boat of everyone by just going off of what a biased opinion provides, except for those 2 additional videos.