Uncalled Cheap Shots

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And depending on which one you are, you really might have little to do with what ultimately happens.

Peace

I'm pretty sure my impact from 7000 feet will be exactly zero.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Is that all that difficult? No, and they're not going to issue sanctions without the whole thing. My guess is they could get it from the kid who edited the video.

The only issue however is that was the student the team videographer?

With seeing how the videos that they posted were edited, I would say not.

I used to be team videographer when I was the Boys' Basketball Manager, as soon as the game was done one of the assistants came and got the tape/camera and took it with them to the locker room.

The only other way I could think of it happening is if they had an additional memory unit available that recorded at the same time as the primary media, however all video cameras will only record to one source.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm pretty sure my impact from 7000 feet will be exactly zero.

Or you could go to the board meeting like they did in "Hoosier" or "Footloose."

You know these meetings bring lots of changes.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Or you could go to the board meeting like they did in "Hoosier" or "Footloose."

You know these meetings bring lots of changes.

Peace

I'm not worried about the kid's dancing, though.
I don't think the opinion of some guy from Colorado is going to mean much anyway. They'll still let the kid keep dancing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

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Again, getting the video wouldn't be that hard. I'm guessing either school would send it, particularly your non-rival opponent here.

[just another ref]

We spoke with an official referee with the Washington Officials Association. He says the player should have been removed after the first foul, which he says was unsportsmanlike conduct, and unnecessary. He adds the video will likely be reviewed by the association.

If the first foul referred to here is the first in the video we saw, all I can say is

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is the true sense of the word?

Rival: A competitor (person, team, company, etc.) who is well known to another and has similar skills and achievements. Defeating a rival may be a primary or necessary goal of a competitor.

There have not been similar skill sets & achievements between the two schools.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He can make any request off the court he likes. He cannot do that in the middle of the game or in a way that disrupts the game.

Peace

Sure he can. He can kick the kid off the team any time he wishes....even in the middle of the game. As game management, he can have the game stopped and forfeit it. You can certainly pull exception cases out where the AD has no authority but that would be the extreme exception, not the norm. If not the AD, then the Principal. Someone, whoever it might be, at the gym is in charge of the facility and the event and can shut it down.

[Nevadaref]

From the article on the Yakima website reporting on the situation:

"We spoke with an official referee with the Washington Officials Association. He says the player should have been removed after the first foul, which he says was unsportsmanlike conduct, and unnecessary. He adds the video will likely be reviewed by the association."

NEVER comment to a news source on the officiating in a game, especially one which you did not work yourself!!!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Honestly, while I can see what you're saying here, I'm getting the elephant on this play (the two handed shove in the back) rather than the ant on the play (a blocking foul).

Yes; maybe I would too.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NEVER comment to a news source on the officiating in a game, especially one which you did not work yourself!!!

And especially if you're going to butcher the terminology.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Honestly, while I can see what you're saying here, I'm getting the elephant on this play (the two handed shove in the back) rather than the ant on the play (a blocking foul).

Exactly my thoughts, as well. I'm penalizing only the shove, too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sure he can. He can kick the kid off the team any time he wishes....even in the middle of the game. As game management, he can have the game stopped and forfeit it. You can certainly pull exception cases out where the AD has no authority but that would be the extreme exception, not the norm. If not the AD, then the Principal. Someone, whoever it might be, at the gym is in charge of the facility and the event and can shut it down.

I've run into one or two ADs who thought they could tell the officials how to call the game. That's not going to happen, but as mentioned the AD could stop the contest and choose to forfeit. I certainly wouldn't try to fight that -- I'd simply file the appropriate report with the commissioner and with the state office.

[Rich]

I'd like to see the video of the entire game.

But it's telling to me that we have all of those hard fouls and not a single official closes distance to provide a presence in the middle of the players to prevent any retaliation.

Jeff mentioned it earlier -- these officials simply don't seem to have any awareness.

A couple of comments on particular fouls -- my comments earlier I'm pretty happy with, but to clarify:

#2 would not be considered intentional ever. Stupid? Yes. It's not even close to being an intentional foul *even with* the other fouls to put it in context.

#5 is flagrant. Yes, the kid's momentum provides a lot of what puts him on the ground, but it's the blatant disregard for the opponent that causes that, IMO.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by refiator

#34 needs to learn the game before he kills someone.

The officials need to learn how to officiate before they let someone get killed.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I don't believe 34 has any interest in learning the game. I believe he is there at the coach's direction to do exactly what we see in the video. No legitimate coach would keep this goon in a game for more than a minute or two. I can't imagine why a coach would even put him on the floor except to intimidate the other team. Its obvious he has zero basketball skills. A truly disgusting display by the player, his coach, and the oblivious officials working the game. One can only hope somebody at the state office address this nonsense immediately.

I agree. This "player's" actions are not fair to the other kids who are interested in playing a basketball game.

Originally Posted by chseagle

White 34 is a Senior this year. He has little basketball skills, yes I do admit it, so his primary duties is to be a defensive wall. White 42 is also a Senior that has some basketball skills but not really enough to be a truly good player.

When thinking about the duties of the officials, which is why we are here, who cares what grade he is in and what his primary duties are? In this game, and I'm sure others, he is a nuisance and should have been eliminated from the contest in one way or the other.

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Clearly, these guys cannot work at the high school level without strong supervision.

So Chseagle, are these officials "veterans" in your area? In your opinion, how to they rate in their association. Ladies and gentlemen, for their area, these may be top officials. Sad but possibly true.

Similar fouls by the other team has been mentioned as a possibility. So? Even if the other team committed the exact same fouls the fact still remains that very little was done to properly officiate this game.