Uncalled Cheap Shots

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again what conversations they have off the court is their business. But during the game unless it happens by the bench and does not disrupt the game, that is going to be a problem. Just like it would be a problem if some fan approached the benches or someone came out of the stands and approached the bench (which happened somewhere in my state and was addressed by the IHSA). What they talk about in the locker room or in an office is not my concern. But if you are coming from the floor addressing an issue in the game I have a problem with that. And we have no idea what was said anyway, we are watching clips that someone produced at different times in the game, it is impossible to know what was or was not said at any time. We cannot take some poster's assumption of what was taking place in this entire game.

Peace

That's part if the problem of the video, the whole picture is not known.

I was not suggesting the AD come out on the floor & pull the player off. The AD is hardly ever in the stands, he's normally either behind the scorers' table or just inside the gym near the doors.

There is enough room behind the benches where he could have approached the coach and quickly discussed the situation or at halftime, pulled the coach off to the side real quick before the coach talked to the team.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

There is enough room behind the benches where he could have approached the coach and quickly discussed the situation or at halftime, pulled the coach off to the side real quick before the coach talked to the team.

And what if they have a confrontation? What is your suggestion then? How do you want the officials to handle that then?

Again, time and a place for everything. The officials have a job to do to. It would be inappropriate for them to be approached by an supervisor or evaluator as well during the game.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And what if they have a confrontation? What is your suggestion then? How do you want the officials to handle that then?

AD vs Coach confrontation? What is there to handle?

[just another ref]

With regard to perspective, this should be said at some point. For the commenter on the video to suggest that all 6 of the fouls in question are flagrant is laughable. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt with regard to proper terms, if he thinks all these fouls are in the same category, it's almost as bad.

Personally, I think 5 is the only one which could possibly be considered flagrant.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

With regard to perspective, this should be said at some point. For the commenter on the video to suggest that all 6 of the fouls in question are flagrant is laughable. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt with regard to proper terms, if he thinks all these fouls are in the same category, it's almost as bad.

Personally, I think 5 is the only one which could possibly be considered flagrant.

The person who posted the video (as well as a couple of other featuring HHS on YouTube) has limited knowledge of the rules.

Looking at those other videos, I have a strong belief that Red 24 & Red 34 had a hand in White 34 playing physically, as they both play as if the rule is "no blood, no foul".

So the finger should not be pointed only at one team.

[rockyroad]

I have some inside information here...my son's college roommate is a Conneel grad and emailed us the link to this video yesterday along with some other info.

1)The poster of the video is a high school student at the "red" school and the two schools are fairly bitter rivals.

2)The two white players who are instigating most of the conflict in the video were both on the football team of the home school and apparently there was some sort of altercation between the two schools during the football season earlier this year.

So...what difference does any of this make? First - we can stop complaining about the person not knowing basketball rules - they don't. End of story. Second - the players are both goons and 34 at least should have been tossed. Why they weren't??? Who knows...maybe rookiedude can offer some insight as I believe the officials would be from his association.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I have some inside information here...my son's college roommate is a Conneel grad and emailed us the link to this video yesterday along with some other info.

1)The poster of the video is a high school student at the "red" school and the two schools are fairly bitter rivals.

2)The two white players who are instigating most of the conflict in the video were both on the football team of the home school and apparently there was some sort of altercation between the two schools during the football season earlier this year.

So...what difference does any of this make? First - we can stop complaining about the person not knowing basketball rules - they don't. End of story. Second - the players are both goons and 34 at least should have been tossed. Why they weren't??? Who knows...maybe rookiedude can offer some insight as I believe the officials would be from his association.

Only half right, as they are not actually rivals in the true sense of the word. I can think of a couple of other schools that are bitter rivals that require more presence.

Again the video poster is being biased, so the whole story is not known except for by those that were there. Looking at other videos posted by this "student" the 2 red players being targeted play very physical games.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Looking at those other videos, I have a strong belief that Red 24 & Red 34 had a hand in White 34 playing physically, as they both play as if the rule is "no blood, no foul".

So the finger should not be pointed only at one team.

Do you have any other clips from the game in question? If we could see some of these actions you attribute to red, it could give a better context to the game (besides what we've been provided thus far).

I'll also say that even independent of what you may provide, the plays alone do not alter my opinion of the plays in question.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Do you have any other clips from the game in question? If we could see some of these actions you attribute to red, it could give a better context to the game (besides what we've been provided thus far).

I'll also say that even independent of what you may provide, the plays alone do not alter my opinion of the plays in question.

I wish I did have more game clips. It would have been nice if the "student" would have provided action on both sides of the court instead of just his/her team's.

I am making observations based on a couple of other videos the person posted that happened right before this game. In those games, from what was shown, Red 34 & 24 are playing very physically.

Basically I'm in the same boat of everyone by just going off of what a biased opinion provides, except for those 2 additional videos.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

AD vs Coach confrontation? What is there to handle?

Now you have a person that was not bench personnel at the bench. The reason I even mentioned this is because this actually took place in my state. There was a person to was once a coach approached a bench. This was addressed as not be appropriate because someone that is not a coach cannot get involved in coaching or giving information if they were not originally sitting on the bench. I also mention this because I was at a school recently where it was not clear that a person that said something to me was an AD (they were upset about a T we gave). This was addressed with my state as not something that should be done by anyone not associated with the team and because it has many aspects this action could cause (coaches sharing information for example away from the bench). So here I do not want anyone that is not associated with the team that is normally sitting on the benches during the game. Of course what they say in their locker room or in the ADs office is their business.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And what if they have a confrontation? What is your suggestion then? How do you want the officials to handle that then?

Again, time and a place for everything. The officials have a job to do to. It would be inappropriate for them to be approached by an supervisor or evaluator as well during the game.

Peace

I offered the suggestion that at halftime the AD talk to the coach off the court near the locker rooms (offer suggestions/ideas).

Address, after the game, the situation as a whole to end the overly physical play by the player.