Charging vs. Player control

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Anytime a player goes through a legally positioned player's torso, the foul is one for charging. So for example, a defensive player running through a player in legal screening position.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Anytime a player goes through a legally positioned player's torso, the foul is one for charging. So for example, a defensive player running through a player in legal screening position.

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

I've seen some defenders run straight through a screen, no hands, just shoulder down almost football style.

Charge...and sometimes a short discussion about upgrading.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

Rule 4, Section 7

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rule 4, Section 7

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

A hand behind the head is for a player control foul ... not a charge. You use the "push" mechanic also for a charge.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

Hand Behind the head is Player Control Foul. Push/Charge is two hands out, in a pushing motion.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by Toren

Hand Behind the head is Player Control Foul. Push/Charge is two hands out, in a pushing motion.

That's the point. Hand behind head is what many consider a charging signal, not a player control signal.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

That's the point. Hand behind head is what many consider a charging signal, not a player control signal.

As long as you don't

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

That's the point. Hand behind head is what many consider a charging signal, not a player control signal.

Many also believe other myths. Who cares? Do you allow that to effect what you call?

[ballgame99]

the distinction between a PCF and just a pushing foul matters why? Just in whether or not the foulee is shooting 1&1?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

That's the point. Hand behind head is what many consider a charging signal, not a player control signal.

Those same people also scream for three seconds when the ball is bouncing on the rim after a shot.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

That's the point. Hand behind head is what many consider a charging signal, not a player control signal.

Then they have not looked at the mechanics signals chart in the manual.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Those same people also scream for three seconds when the ball is bouncing on the rim after a shot.

Don't you just love it?

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Many also believe other myths. Who cares? Do you allow that to effect what you call?

Doesn't affect what I call at all. I was pointing out that incorrectly signaling a defensive "charge" with hand behind head signal could potentially confuse your partner, table crew, and/or coaches, let alone fans who are often confused anyhow.