Charging vs. Player control

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by Toren

All charges are not player control fouls

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Pass and crash. Still a charge, not a player control foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Anytime a player goes through a legally positioned player's torso, the foul is one for charging. So for example, a defensive player running through a player in legal screening position.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Anytime a player goes through a legally positioned player's torso, the foul is one for charging. So for example, a defensive player running through a player in legal screening position.

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

I've seen some defenders run straight through a screen, no hands, just shoulder down almost football style.

Charge...and sometimes a short discussion about upgrading.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

Rule 4, Section 7

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rule 4, Section 7

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

A hand behind the head is for a player control foul ... not a charge. You use the "push" mechanic also for a charge.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

Hand Behind the head is Player Control Foul. Push/Charge is two hands out, in a pushing motion.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by Toren

Hand Behind the head is Player Control Foul. Push/Charge is two hands out, in a pushing motion.

That's the point. Hand behind head is what many consider a charging signal, not a player control signal.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.

Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while (at least in these parts).......Not taking away from its being an approved signal, just don't see it anymore.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by refiator

Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while.

Many officials around here will use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul. By the manual, it's probably incorrect, but it seems to be an "accepted", but not "approved", alternative around here.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by refiator

Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while (at least in these parts).......Not taking away from its being an approved signal, just don't see it anymore.

Player control and Team Control signals are the same behind-the-head signal in Ohio.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by refiator

Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while (at least in these parts).......Not taking away from its being an approved signal, just don't see it anymore.

That's kinda funny you say that because I was going to ask if any other associations have kind of done away with the PC signal. They encourage us to use the team control signal and punch it the other direction (defense's basket) if anyone on the offensive team fouls the defense, ball handler or team mate. I haven't once in two seasons used or seen used the PC signal. It is always the team control signal. Anybody else adopted that or find it strange?