stupid kid; stupid parent

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Sort of like talking to his players in a TO huddle, "Johnny, don't worry, that was a great block. It was a horrible call."

Snaq's...in this case I would either ignore the comment or have a brief conversation with the Coach about his sportsmanship. i.e. "your getting close Coach"

I don't see ME giving the Coach a T, in this case, but it's a possibility.

Are you saying you would whack the Coach?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Snaq's...in this case I would either ignore the comment or have a brief conversation with the Coach about his sportsmanship. i.e. "your getting close Coach"

I don't see ME giving the Coach a T, in this case, but it's a possibility.

Are you saying you would whack the Coach?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just relating the cases by the fact that coaches sometimes think they can say whatever they want as long as it's directed to their players. Saying something under one's breath doesn't make it ok any more than saying it to your team does.

To answer your question, no, I wouldn't ring him up for that, but if a player went back to his huddle yelling that to his coach, he'll get one.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To answer your question, no, I wouldn't ring him up for that, but if a player went back to his huddle yelling that to his coach, he'll get one.

Absolutely, 100% with you on this one...player's get ZERO tolerance in the area of poor sportsmanship and bad behavior...and that's why WE get the "big bucks"... WE get to use OUR judgement as too what is NOT appropriate.

I rarely have a problem with players...maybe because they know they are not going to get away with it.

I whacked a H.S. Varsity player the other night for throwing his arms in the air and saying something about the OOB call I just made. It's not WHAT he said...it's HOW he said it.

The Coach said, "He's my speaking captain". I said, "Doesn't matter...I may let YOU talk to me like that, but the KIDS get NO leeway". The table got a good laugh out of that...and the Coach said, "OK, I'll talk to him about it".

Last night, my partner whacked a kid (H.S. Varsity) for saying, "and one" as the kid ran by my partner at half court. It wasn't the statement that got him...it was the WAY he shouted it too my partner as he ran by him.

Easy stuff...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Last night, my partner whacked a kid (H.S. Varsity) for saying, "and one" as the kid ran by my partner at half court.

Quite a few years ago, I worked lots of men's wreck league games with a guy who, unfortunately, has passed away. I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard him say to a player after a shot, "Don't give me any of that 'and one' sh!t." It was almost like his trademark.

[fiasco]

Okay, I'm going to have to pipe in late on this one.

In my opinion, you only set yourself up for trouble, and you intentionally set up the player by saying anything to the effect of "What did you say?"

First of all, what kind of response are you looking for? Several people have said you're hoping the kid will "take back" what was said. How? So you're hoping the kid, in the heat of the moment, will just come to you and say, "I'm sorry, Mr. Ref. I said something I shouldn't have, and I apologize."

That's pretty unrealistic, if you ask me.

So, what you've done now is put the player in a position where he/she either has to lie ("I didn't say anything" or simply "nothing"), or is forced to repeat himself/herself, which you've expressly asked him or her to do, so how are you then going to ding the player for it? That's called entrapment.

If you are 100% sure you hear it the first time, whack the first time. If you aren't 100% sure of what you hear the first time, either ignore it, or say something more constructive than "What did you say?" such as "Now, I thought I heard you say something, but I couldn't be sure. If I catch you saying something inappropriate, it's going to be a technical foul. You got me?"

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by fiasco

" You got me?"

Watch out asking questions...you might not like the answers.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Okay, I'm going to have to pipe in late on this one.

In my opinion, you only set yourself up for trouble, and you intentionally set up the player by saying anything to the effect of "What did you say?"

First of all, what kind of response are you looking for? Several people have said you're hoping the kid will "take back" what was said. How? So you're hoping the kid, in the heat of the moment, will just come to you and say, "I'm sorry, Mr. Ref. I said something I shouldn't have, and I apologize."

That's pretty unrealistic, if you ask me.

So, what you've done now is put the player in a position where he/she either has to lie ("I didn't say anything" or simply "nothing"), or is forced to repeat himself/herself, which you've expressly asked him or her to do, so how are you then going to ding the player for it? That's called entrapment.

If you are 100% sure you hear it the first time, whack the first time. If you aren't 100% sure of what you hear the first time, either ignore it, or say something more constructive than "What did you say?" such as "Now, I thought I heard you say something, but I couldn't be sure. If I catch you saying something inappropriate, it's going to be a technical foul. You got me?"

You truly are aptly named.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by fullor30

You truly are aptly named.

Was there a response to the actual topic anywhere in there?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Quite a few years ago, I worked lots of men's wreck league games with a guy who, unfortunately, has passed away. I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard him say to a player after a shot, "Don't give me any of that 'and one' sh!t." It was almost like his trademark.

That's perfect for men's league, too. Probably why I don't work men's league.