stupid kid; stupid parent

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

Yep, and I happen to have a sixth grader sitting next to me watching TV right now. No way I'd back her up on this. She'd be apologizing to the official.

And it's not the word "crap" for me, either. He could have said "that call was a bunch of garbage" and my response would be the same.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by fullor30

How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

+1

We're the role models here. We're supposed to be setting the bar, not adjusting it to their desires.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I see it for what it is, something that I've only heard from ignorant people like fans and coaches who think you had to have played a game to be able to officiate it. It's IRRELEVANT.

Yes, and for another reason. NEVER have I met an official that NEVER played the game. Some certainly played at higher levels than others, but none have never played, at least not to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And again, everyone but you seems to agree, if I hear it then he did NOT say it under his breath.

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

For those of you that said this is a TF, good luck calling it consistently and stop baiting 6th graders.

I don't get what you think is so difficult about this.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

Fair enough, but there's nothing about "under his breath" in the rules that makes it legal. The point is, if it's loud enough for an official to hear it, it's loud enough to be susceptible to a T.

A coach addressing his players doesn't get a free pass just because he's talking to his players. Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

At one point, Coach Bobbie Knight asked the table, "What's the foul count? 10-2? 10-2!! REALLY!" loud enough for the officials to hear it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Sort of like talking to his players in a TO huddle, "Johnny, don't worry, that was a great block. It was a horrible call."

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Gotcha. I had a fun one a few years ago in a youth tournament when the table (scorekeeper) was complaining about the foul count with us at halftime! I addressed it.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

When my son was in 9th or 10th grade, he was playing intramural basketball. It was my job to pick him up so I stopped in for a while to watch. My son seemed to think he could both play and officiate. All at once a booming voice came from the crowd: "Son, knock it off". Of course it was me, dear old dad. The ride home was interesting to say the least.

The young man learned a valuable lesson that evening. And once he got out of high school, he became an excellent official.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Gotcha. I had a fun one a few years ago in a youth tournament when the table (scorekeeper) was complaining about the foul count with us at halftime! I addressed it.

I've posted this before, but it seems relevant to this thread, so here it is again. I called a T on a kid for profanity (I think he was 6th grade) in our local kids rec league. In our league, this is an automatic flagrant T. I told his coach and there was no problem, since the coach also heard what the kid said and he knew the rule. I went to report it to the table and the score book guy said there was no way he was recording it in the book and then he just leaned back, folded his arms and shook his head sideways. He said, "That's my son and he wouldn't swear." At first, I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. I had to tell the coach to replace the guy, which he did.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Sort of like talking to his players in a TO huddle, "Johnny, don't worry, that was a great block. It was a horrible call."

Snaq's...in this case I would either ignore the comment or have a brief conversation with the Coach about his sportsmanship. i.e. "your getting close Coach"

I don't see ME giving the Coach a T, in this case, but it's a possibility.

Are you saying you would whack the Coach?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Snaq's...in this case I would either ignore the comment or have a brief conversation with the Coach about his sportsmanship. i.e. "your getting close Coach"

I don't see ME giving the Coach a T, in this case, but it's a possibility.

Are you saying you would whack the Coach?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just relating the cases by the fact that coaches sometimes think they can say whatever they want as long as it's directed to their players. Saying something under one's breath doesn't make it ok any more than saying it to your team does.

To answer your question, no, I wouldn't ring him up for that, but if a player went back to his huddle yelling that to his coach, he'll get one.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

Then we disagree.