stupid kid; stupid parent

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

Then we disagree.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

At one point, Coach Bobbie Knight asked the table, "What's the foul count? 10-2? 10-2!! REALLY!" loud enough for the officials to hear it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Sort of like talking to his players in a TO huddle, "Johnny, don't worry, that was a great block. It was a horrible call."

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Gotcha. I had a fun one a few years ago in a youth tournament when the table (scorekeeper) was complaining about the foul count with us at halftime! I addressed it.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

When my son was in 9th or 10th grade, he was playing intramural basketball. It was my job to pick him up so I stopped in for a while to watch. My son seemed to think he could both play and officiate. All at once a booming voice came from the crowd: "Son, knock it off". Of course it was me, dear old dad. The ride home was interesting to say the least.

The young man learned a valuable lesson that evening. And once he got out of high school, he became an excellent official.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Gotcha. I had a fun one a few years ago in a youth tournament when the table (scorekeeper) was complaining about the foul count with us at halftime! I addressed it.

I've posted this before, but it seems relevant to this thread, so here it is again. I called a T on a kid for profanity (I think he was 6th grade) in our local kids rec league. In our league, this is an automatic flagrant T. I told his coach and there was no problem, since the coach also heard what the kid said and he knew the rule. I went to report it to the table and the score book guy said there was no way he was recording it in the book and then he just leaned back, folded his arms and shook his head sideways. He said, "That's my son and he wouldn't swear." At first, I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. I had to tell the coach to replace the guy, which he did.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Talking to them loudly enough for us to hear.

Sort of like talking to his players in a TO huddle, "Johnny, don't worry, that was a great block. It was a horrible call."

Snaq's...in this case I would either ignore the comment or have a brief conversation with the Coach about his sportsmanship. i.e. "your getting close Coach"

I don't see ME giving the Coach a T, in this case, but it's a possibility.

Are you saying you would whack the Coach?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I've posted this before, but it seems relevant to this thread, so here it is again. I called a T on a kid for profanity (I think he was 6th grade) in our local kids rec league. In our league, this is an automatic flagrant T. I told his coach and there was no problem, since the coach also heard what the kid said and he knew the rule. I went to report it to the table and the score book guy said there was no way he was recording it in the book and then he just leaned back, folded his arms and shook his head sideways. He said, "That's my son and he wouldn't swear." At first, I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. I had to tell the coach to replace the guy, which he did.

What did the kid say?

I know when a Coach asks me this...I say he used profanity (as you did)...but, we're all friends here...what did he say?

Is "Damn" profanity and worthy of ejection in 6th grade? Just curious.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

What did the kid say?

I know when a Coach asks me this...I say he used profanity (as you did)...but, we're all friends here...what did he say?

Is "Damn" profanity and worthy of ejection in 6th grade? Just curious.

He used the "F word". And yes, in our local kids rec league, "damn" is considered profanity. We actually had a discussion about that a few years ago and that was the decision. It's a "zero tolerance" organization.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Snaq's...in this case I would either ignore the comment or have a brief conversation with the Coach about his sportsmanship. i.e. "your getting close Coach"

I don't see ME giving the Coach a T, in this case, but it's a possibility.

Are you saying you would whack the Coach?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just relating the cases by the fact that coaches sometimes think they can say whatever they want as long as it's directed to their players. Saying something under one's breath doesn't make it ok any more than saying it to your team does.

To answer your question, no, I wouldn't ring him up for that, but if a player went back to his huddle yelling that to his coach, he'll get one.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

He used the "F word". And yes, in our local kids rec league, "damn" is considered profanity. We actually had a discussion about that a few years ago and that was the decision. It's a "zero tolerance" organization.

Do you have a list? Are there seven words on the list?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Thanks for offering of opinions as always. I accept that people see it differently and I agree with HTBT, but the OP presented it for discussion, the context is what was stated.

Not that it matters, but I really am an official (level does not matter, but if you need to know, you can PM me).

For those of you that said this is a TF, good luck calling it consistently and stop baiting 6th graders.

You're right, it doesn't matter, enjoy third graders telling you "you suck"

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Yes, and for another reason. NEVER have I met an official that NEVER played the game. Some certainly played at higher levels than others, but none have never played, at least not to my knowledge.

I suppose it depends on how you view "played the game." If you mean it to include rec league, I've played once or twice for the church team (but not until after I started refereeing). If you mean for a school or as a child on club teams, I haven't. FWIW, I don't consider myself to have ever "played" basketball or really any other sport that I officiate. My involvement in sport has always been from the officiating rather than the playing side.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To answer your question, no, I wouldn't ring him up for that, but if a player went back to his huddle yelling that to his coach, he'll get one.

Absolutely, 100% with you on this one...player's get ZERO tolerance in the area of poor sportsmanship and bad behavior...and that's why WE get the "big bucks"... WE get to use OUR judgement as too what is NOT appropriate.

I rarely have a problem with players...maybe because they know they are not going to get away with it.

I whacked a H.S. Varsity player the other night for throwing his arms in the air and saying something about the OOB call I just made. It's not WHAT he said...it's HOW he said it.

The Coach said, "He's my speaking captain". I said, "Doesn't matter...I may let YOU talk to me like that, but the KIDS get NO leeway". The table got a good laugh out of that...and the Coach said, "OK, I'll talk to him about it".

Last night, my partner whacked a kid (H.S. Varsity) for saying, "and one" as the kid ran by my partner at half court. It wasn't the statement that got him...it was the WAY he shouted it too my partner as he ran by him.

Easy stuff...