Throw-in... Backcourt... Made Basket???

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline"
I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

I agree that the rule is probably too restrictive and the officials *should* be allowed to fix this within a reasonable amount of time -- but the NFHS has actually ruled recently to make this as restrictive as possible and who am I (as one official) to go against their wishes (and by association, the wishes of my state office)?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I agree that the rule is probably too restrictive and the officials *should* be allowed to fix this within a reasonable amount of time -- but the NFHS has actually ruled recently to make this as restrictive as possible and who am I (as one official) to go against their wishes (and by association, the wishes of my state office)?

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

That's frightening.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

Making everyone happy by mis-applying a rule is not always a recipe for success. I can understand for a brief instant thinking "hey, let's do a do-over", but after some conversation amongst the crew and especially after the fact with a rules interpreter, there should be a correct ruling.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Making everyone happy by mis-applying a rule is not always a recipe for success. I can understand for a brief instant thinking "hey, let's do a do-over", but after some conversation amongst the crew and especially after the fact with a rules interpreter should lead to a correct ruling.

I don't mind stirring the pot on this web site. But there is no way I am going to submit this question to the Rule interpreter.
I hear all about this Game Management stuff.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I don't mind stirring the pot on this web site. But there is no way I am going to submit this question to the Rule interpreter.
I hear all about this Game Management stuff.

That is not game management as most of us here use it.

[just another ref]

Change the situation a little bit. What if everyone involved was unaware of what was going on in this situation? A is attacking the wrong goal, B is defending the wrong goal. Would 5.2.1 F apply? It deals with jumpers facing the wrong way to start the game, but the concept is the same.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

I can guarantee you my assigner would bust my balls for only one of the following mistakes:
1. giving the ball to the wrong team.
2. Missing the BC violation.
3. Really screwing up and taking away the points.

#3 is what would get me into the most trouble. #1 and #2 are easy to do in confusion, but #3 is inexcusable.

As for the coach whose team scored in the wrong basket, what's he really going to complain about? It's not like the officials threw a live ball through his opponent's basket.

[CK]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

What? That is a bet you would lose. (assuming you are talking about the rules interperter and assignors I am familar with) I can assure you that they know the correct ruling and procedure.

[Zoochy]

So CK. if you were one of the officials in this play, how would you handle it?

[reffish]

Zoochy,

The correct procedure per rule, which is also THE procedure for the good of the game, is count basket for visiting team, award ball to home team. As an official for this game, that is what I would do. I would bring coaches to table to clear up confusion of play. This would be the time as a crew we own up to the mistake. No redo, no correctable error. Sucks for us, but can't go wrong with the rule book.

[CK]

Count the basket for V (footnote in the book) and move on. The throwin cannot be corrected because the throwin had ended. The BC violation was missed; it was missed, H scores for V, count the basket for V. Recognized, humbly explain and move on. This is why I stand with the ball in an arm or front or back of my body in the direction the ball is going after any T.O. or delay in getting the ball back in play when I am the official staying with the ball. My response was not a judgement. As to how I would of handled it, by the rules. Do over's do not exsist and should not happen. What I took exception to was this statement

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

And I stand by my previous post.

CK