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Old Sun Dec 18, 2011, 09:10am
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Be late. Be needed. Be right. I met all 3 criteria.
You were late and right, but not needed. Took care of that part already.
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Old Sun Dec 18, 2011, 09:27am
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The horn doesn't have a status. That makes no sense whatsoever.

The ball is batted by B and goes into through the basket. The horn sounds. Count the 2 points.

This ain't that difficult folks.
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Old Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:18am
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This ain't that difficult folks.
This ain't rocket surgery.
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Old Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:47pm
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A tap is a try even with less than 0.3 on the clock.
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But not at the opponent's basket.
It is not a tap if it is at the opponents basket....a tap is essentially defined the same way as a try.
4-41-5 . . . A tap for goal is the contacting of the ball with any part of a player’s hand(s) in an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket.
So, really, we've talking about a "tip" all along.
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Old Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:09pm
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You were late and right, but not needed. Took care of that part already.
You called him on the to, two , or too problem?
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It is not a tap if it is at the opponents basket....a tap is essentially defined the same way as a try.
4-41-5 . . . A tap for goal is the contacting of the ball with any part of a player’s hand(s) in an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket.
So, really, we've talking about a "tip" all along.
The OP called it a tap. By definition, it cannot be a tap. What it is is a bonehead play.
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:06am
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So we all agree the basket counts in the original posting scenario, because the horn was after it went through the basket.

But what if this scenario happens:

B leads A 60-59 in the 4th quarter. A1's try hits the backboard and before the horn sounds, ball caroms off of B1's hands and ricochets high in the air and towards A's basket. While in the air and before the ball hit hits the ring, the horn sounds. The ball then passes through the basket and the net.

So according to some of your posts, in this scenario the basket does NOT count, right? because the ball is dead at the sound of the horn?
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:14am
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So we all agree the basket counts in the original posting scenario, because the horn was after it went through the basket.

But what if this scenario happens:

B leads A 60-59 in the 4th quarter. A1's try hits the backboard and before the horn sounds, ball caroms off of B1's hands and ricochets high in the air and towards A's basket. While in the air and before the ball hit hits the ring, the horn sounds. The ball then passes through the basket and the net.

So according to some of your posts, in this scenario the basket does NOT count, right? because the ball is dead at the sound of the horn?
correct
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:48am
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What JAR said.
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:28am
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What JAR said.
Correct...because the ONLY way B can touch the ball is if the try had ended. If they were to touch it before the try were over, it would have been GT or BI (I'm reading the question to say the ball was on its way down).
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:38am
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So we all agree the basket counts in the original posting scenario, because the horn was after it went through the basket.

But what if this scenario happens:

B leads A 60-59 in the 4th quarter. A1's try hits the backboard and before the horn sounds, ball caroms off of B1's hands and ricochets high in the air and towards A's basket. While in the air and before the ball hit hits the ring, the horn sounds. The ball then passes through the basket and the net.

So according to some of your posts, in this scenario the basket does NOT count, right? because the ball is dead at the sound of the horn?
Correct. And an NCAA crew actually got this play wrong a few years ago in a game at Virginia Tech which caused a lot of memos to be sent out.
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:50am
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So we all agree the basket counts in the original posting scenario, because the horn was after it went through the basket.

But what if this scenario happens:

B leads A 60-59 in the 4th quarter. A1's try hits the backboard and before the horn sounds, ball caroms off of B1's hands and ricochets high in the air and towards A's basket. While in the air and before the ball hit hits the ring, the horn sounds. The ball then passes through the basket and the net.

So according to some of your posts, in this scenario the basket does NOT count, right? because the ball is dead at the sound of the horn?
If it's still a try, then the period doesn't end until the try ends, so the basket will count.

The official must judge if it's still a try (and if the official is having trouble with the OP and this latest play, it's likely s/he'll have trouble with "when a try ends.")
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