Wrong basket

Tied game with 5 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter, A1 misses her second FT. After the rebounding, B1 gets fouled on the unsuccessful try at Team As basket.

Partner & I came to the conclusion that a foul is a foul on that live ball situation. B1 shot 2 on the other end at the correct basket. Ball game…
Half the crowd went nuts as the Team A coach thought we should've went with a IW resulting in a jump ball favoring guess who? Team A

1> Was that handled correctly?

2> Had B1s try been successful, Team A would have been awarded 2 points & B1 shoots 1 on the other end?

3> B1 doesn’t shoot the FT if time had expired? ie: 1 point wouldn’t affect the outcome.

[Splute]

I am pretty sure you can not have a shooting foul on a player shooting at the wrong basket. It is not considered a shot at your opponents basket. However, you can have a common foul and if you are in the bonus, then they would shoot the bonus shots at their own basket. But let me refer to the rule books and get back to ya.

If B1 had made the basket; yes Team A would have received the points and then enforce the common foul for B1 (bonus shots or inbounding spot).

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Splute

I am pretty sure you can not have a shooting foul on a player shooting at the wrong basket. It is not considered a shot at your opponents basket. However, you can have a common foul and if you are in the bonus, then they would shoot the bonus shots at their own basket. But let me refer to the rule books and get back to ya.

If B1 had made the basket; yes Team A would have received the points and then enforce the common foul for B1 (bonus shots or inbounding spot).

Almost....

Since by rule it is not a shot, the ball becomes dead immediately. No points can be scored, if bonus shoot 1-1/2, if not, spot throw-in.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Splute

1) I am pretty sure you can not have a shooting foul on a player shooting at the wrong basket. It is not considered a shot at your opponents basket. However, you can have a common foul and if you are in the bonus, then they would shoot the bonus shots at their own basket. But let me refer to the rule books and get back to ya.

2) If B1 had made the basket; yes Team A would have received the points and then enforce the common foul for B1 (bonus shots or inbounding spot).

1) Correct as per case book play 4.41.2.

2) The foul causes the ball to be dead immediately. Iow, no score if the foul occurred before the ball went in. If the foul occurred after the ball went in, the contact should have been ignored unless it was intentional or flagrant.R4-19-1NOTE.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

if bonus shoot 1-1/2

How do you shoot 1 1/2 shots? Does this mean the second shot only has to get halfway to the basket to count?

[Ref in PA]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Tied game with 5 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter, A1 misses her second FT. After the rebounding, B1 gets fouled on the unsuccessful try at Team As basket.

Partner & I came to the conclusion that a foul is a foul on that live ball situation. B1 shot 2 on the other end at the correct basket. Ball game…
Half the crowd went nuts as the Team A coach thought we should've went with a IW resulting in a jump ball favoring guess who? Team A

1> Was that handled correctly?

2> Had B1s try been successful, Team A would have been awarded 2 points & B1 shoots 1 on the other end?

3> B1 doesn’t shoot the FT if time had expired? ie: 1 point wouldn’t affect the outcome.

1. Maybe. If team B was in the double bonus, then yes, B1 would received 2 free throws. If team B was not in the double bonus, then no.

2. No. The "shot" by B1 at the wrong basket is not a try and therefore the ball becomes dead when the foul occurs. (4.41.2)

3. If fouls shots will not affect the outcome of a game, they are not shot.

Appreciate the feedback! 4.41.2 is perfect & it was hackfest, we were well beyond the 10th foul so it's good to know that we got it right. Hopefully coach went & did some research as well.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Correct as per case book play 4.41.2.

2) The foul causes the ball to be dead immediately. Iow, no score if the foul occurred before the ball went in. If the foul occurred after the ball went in, the contact should have been ignored unless it was intentional or flagrant.R4-19-1NOTE.

very good... if I had thought that through, realizing there was no "shot", then of course the ball has to be dead immediately because no, "in the act of shooting" rules apply. In which case, as you stated, only if the foul was after the basket would the points count.

Thanks.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Since by rule it is not a shot, the ball becomes dead immediately. No points can be scored, if bonus shoot 1-1/2, if not, spot throw-in.

We have a winner! This is a common foul since this is not a "try" by rule -- a "try" must be an attempt at your own basket.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Tied game with 5 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter, A1 misses her second FT. After the rebounding, B1 gets fouled on the unsuccessful try at Team As basket.

Partner & I came to the conclusion that a foul is a foul on that live ball situation. B1 shot 2 on the other end at the correct basket. Ball game…
Half the crowd went nuts as the Team A coach thought we should've went with a IW resulting in a jump ball favoring guess who? Team A

1> Was that handled correctly?

2> Had B1s try been successful, Team A would have been awarded 2 points & B1 shoots 1 on the other end?

3> B1 doesn’t shoot the FT if time had expired? ie: 1 point wouldn’t affect the outcome.

You can not have a shooting foul when there is no "Try". Shooting at the wrong basket does not constitute a "try". Therefore, if Team B was in the bonus Team B would shoot FT, but not unless. Ball out of bounds endling, spot throw in.

The shot would not have counted because the ball is dead immediately if there is no "try". As mentioned, there was no try.

If time had expired and the FT would not change the score, no shots are attempted.

[Nevadaref]

I would sure like to have a dollar for every time someone asks this question.

We must have 100 threads on this by now stored on the server.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

How do you shoot 1 1/2 shots? Does this mean the second shot only has to get halfway to the basket to count?

Actually Mark, Snake's notation used 1-1/2, not 1 1/2. The international approved method for specifying fractions does not include a dash, so you should not interpret 1-1/2 as being equal to 1.5.

The dash has no significance, so there is a notation error. The best way to say 1.5 in fraction form is 1½. To get the ½ character, hold down your keyboard's ALT key, and hit 171 on the numeric keypad. or cust&paste from Word.

To specify a bonus-if-made or automatic bonus situation, how about 1+1/2? This has the added benefit that is a user makes a mistake and hits = instead of /. they are now saying 1+1=2, which is unintended, but still true!






BTW, this whole response is just a joke!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

BTW, this whole response is just a joke!

Well, that's really not that much different from the vast majority of your responses.....

Too easy.......

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

If time had expired and the FT would not change the score, no shots are attempted.

Is this true in NFHS? Unless I'm mistaken, this is only a rule in NCAA.

Fed

PENALTIES: (Rule 10 Summary)
1. No free throws:
e. After time has expired for the fourth quarter (or extra period), unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.