Simultaneous or false double foul

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

False double fouls happen frequently enough...just a lot of people don't realize this.

Or can't be bothered to take 15 seconds to meet and figure it out.

[Amesman]

Didn't know if I should just start a new thread for this or not, so here goes, as it's somewhat related. Came up in locker room conversation among officials and there wasn't agreement. Can't find reference in rule or casebooks how to administer this:

A1 is shooting first of 2 FTA. B2 forgets it's not a 1-and-1 and boxes out so aggressively, she fouls A2 behind her. (Or A2 barrels in so hard, she fouls B2 while the ball is in the air.) Granted, most of the time, this jockeying amounts to nothing, but in this case, a foul has been committed. How to administer?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Didn't know if I should just start a new thread for this or not, so here goes, as it's somewhat related. Came up in locker room conversation among officials and there wasn't agreement. Can't find reference in rule or casebooks how to administer this:

A1 is shooting first of 2 FTA. B2 forgets it's not a 1-and-1 and boxes out so aggressively, she fouls A2 behind her. (Or A2 barrels in so hard, she fouls B2 while the ball is in the air.) Granted, most of the time, this jockeying amounts to nothing, but in this case, a foul has been committed. How to administer?

If A is not in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, give the ball to A at the OOB spot.

If A is in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, administer A2's FT's with players back in the lane.

The principle in NFHS is easy: administer fouls in the order of occurrence. If you're in the middle of administering one and another occurs, finish what you're doing and go on to the next one.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If A is not in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, give the ball to A at the OOB spot.

If A is in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, administer A2's FT's with players back in the lane.

The principle in NFHS is easy: administer fouls in the order of occurrence. If you're in the middle of administering one and another occurs, finish what you're doing and go on to the next one.

Kinda thought so. Then presuming if B is fouled, clear the lane for the 2nd A FTA and ball goes OOB to B (or to the other end to shoot 1-and-1 if warranted), right?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Kinda thought so. Then presuming if B is fouled, clear the lane for the 2nd A FTA and ball goes OOB to B (or to the other end to shoot 1-and-1 if warranted), right?

If not in the bonus, B would have a spot throw-in at the spot OOB closest to where the foul occurred if A's last free throw was unsuccessful. If the last one was successful, then B would have an unrestricted throw-in on the end line. If in the bonus, then after A's free throws, B would be awarded theirs.

[Amesman]

Kind gentlemen you are. Thanks

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If in the bonus, then after A's free throws, B would be awarded theirs.

Maybe....depends on whether the foul was before or after he FT was released. If before, it would be a team control foul and B would only get possession.

And yes, it is entirely possible to have fouls before the release yet not have a FT violation.