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Old Sun Dec 04, 2011, 08:02pm
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Simultaneous or false double foul

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A1 attempts a jumpshot from outside the key, left side, high. He is fouled on the shot by B1, called by T. While the ball is in the air, L, across the key, calls a foul on A2, for pushing B2. The shot is not successful.
One official says it's a simultaneous foul, and that the ball should be at the POI, A's ball, for a throw-in.
The partner says that it more fits a false double foul; A1 should shoot the two freethrows, with no rebounders along the key, and then it's B's ball for a throw-in, at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul on A2.
Your input, please.
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Old Sun Dec 04, 2011, 08:11pm
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False double

If the last FT is made, an unrestricted throw-in for team B. If the last FT is missed, spot throw-in out of bounds at spot closest to where the foul occurred.
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Old Sun Dec 04, 2011, 08:15pm
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APG, Thanks for your input. This is what I told the official that brought the scenario to me. I think I mentioned in another thread, a few weeks ago, that many of our officials come to me, and I come tho the Forum for further input.
Your responses are greatly appreciated.
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Did they happen at the same time or one after the other? The answer to that question will determine whether it is simultaneous or false double.
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Old Sun Dec 04, 2011, 09:59pm
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Camron,
The officials got together and determined that the foul on the shooter was first, and then while the shot was in the air, the foul by A2 occurred. What was of most importance was the administration of the penalties.
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Old Sun Dec 04, 2011, 10:43pm
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The officials got together and determined that the foul on the shooter was first, and then while the shot was in the air, the foul by A2 occurred. What was of most importance was the administration of the penalties.
Which means, that one occurred after the other....and not simultaneous.
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Old Sun Dec 04, 2011, 10:52pm
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What was of most importance was the administration of the penalties.
No, it wasn't.

Unless you know whether they were simultaneous or one after the other, you CAN'T determine the administration of the penalties.

So what was of most importance was what type of foul it was. Determine that and then you know what the administration is.
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2011, 01:49pm
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Simultaneous or False Double Foul

This is good situation, it actually happens more often that we really pay attention to



All Purpose Gamer and BktBallReg : good information
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2011, 02:01pm
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This is good situation, it actually happens more often that we really pay attention to



All Purpose Gamer and BktBallReg : good information
I don't know how often a simultaneous foul occurs...I'd say almost never.

False double fouls happen frequently enough...just a lot of people don't realize this.
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2011, 03:18pm
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False double fouls happen frequently enough...just a lot of people don't realize this.
Or can't be bothered to take 15 seconds to meet and figure it out.
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2011, 03:21pm
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Foul during 1st of 2 FTA

Didn't know if I should just start a new thread for this or not, so here goes, as it's somewhat related. Came up in locker room conversation among officials and there wasn't agreement. Can't find reference in rule or casebooks how to administer this:

A1 is shooting first of 2 FTA. B2 forgets it's not a 1-and-1 and boxes out so aggressively, she fouls A2 behind her. (Or A2 barrels in so hard, she fouls B2 while the ball is in the air.) Granted, most of the time, this jockeying amounts to nothing, but in this case, a foul has been committed. How to administer?
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2011, 03:24pm
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Didn't know if I should just start a new thread for this or not, so here goes, as it's somewhat related. Came up in locker room conversation among officials and there wasn't agreement. Can't find reference in rule or casebooks how to administer this:

A1 is shooting first of 2 FTA. B2 forgets it's not a 1-and-1 and boxes out so aggressively, she fouls A2 behind her. (Or A2 barrels in so hard, she fouls B2 while the ball is in the air.) Granted, most of the time, this jockeying amounts to nothing, but in this case, a foul has been committed. How to administer?
If A is not in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, give the ball to A at the OOB spot.

If A is in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, administer A2's FT's with players back in the lane.

The principle in NFHS is easy: administer fouls in the order of occurrence. If you're in the middle of administering one and another occurs, finish what you're doing and go on to the next one.
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2011, 03:28pm
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If A is not in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, give the ball to A at the OOB spot.

If A is in the bonus: clear the lane, administer A1's other FT, administer A2's FT's with players back in the lane.

The principle in NFHS is easy: administer fouls in the order of occurrence. If you're in the middle of administering one and another occurs, finish what you're doing and go on to the next one.
Kinda thought so. Then presuming if B is fouled, clear the lane for the 2nd A FTA and ball goes OOB to B (or to the other end to shoot 1-and-1 if warranted), right?
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