Just a Word of Caution...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Let's just say that is the exception and not the rule.

No, let's just say it would be extremely rare that that would happen.

No, let's just say I find it hard to believe that would ever happen.

You think it is an exception that the parents that watch middle school games do not have a knowledgeable or influential parent? I am not saying it is common for the Big Ten Commissioner to show up to his son's game (which happened to many I know), I am saying that it is not uncommon a state final official or a college official might just be at a game and you had no idea they were there.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You think it is an exception that the parents that watch middle school games do not have a knowledgeable or influential parent? I am not saying it is common for the Big Ten Commissioner to show up to his son's game (which happened to many I know), I am saying that it is not uncommon a state final official or a college official might just be at a game and you had no idea they were there.

Peace

The part I find hard to believe is that these "influential" people are at all concerned by the the way middle school officials are dressed when they walk in the gym.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The part I find hard to believe is that these "influential" people are at all concerned by the the way middle school officials are dressed when they walk in the gym.

You may find it hard to believe, but officials are regular people too. People will sometimes veteran officials what they think about another official and not knowing where they saw them. I could tell several stories where the wrong impression was given by someone working a game where someone was simply watching their kid play and it did not always start when they first saw them on the court. I hear a new story almost every camp I attend about that very thing. If you find it hard to believe, do not believe it. All it takes is one time for the right or wrong person. It might not be the issue of how they come to the game, but it might be something else. People make judgments about us the minute we walk in the gym. Not many people walk into a school with a bag or black pants and black athletic shoes. I hope you do not think we are not spotted by folks coming in the door.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not many people walk into a school with a bag or black pants and black athletic shoes. I hope you do not think we are not spotted by folks coming in the door.

I'm pretty easy to spot. The stripes are a dead giveaway. I actually don't own a bag.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm pretty easy to spot. The stripes are a dead giveaway. I actually don't own a bag.

This says a lot. I will leave it at that.

Peace

[zm1283]

As usual, JRut applies his standards to everyone else and they are automatically wrong if they do anything differently than he does. Then he backtracks and tries to talk his way out of it when Snaqwells quotes him.

In this area, there is one school district that plays their middle school games at 3:00. Most, if not all officials go to these games already dressed. The assignor has made it clear that this is acceptable, and as long as you show up and work the game, everything is fine. These schools are just glad to have two officials show up. They, nor the parents (Influential or not) watching in the stands care about where or how the officials got dressed.

For every other MS game and certainly for every HS game, locker rooms are provided.

Edit: And by the way, I do agree with the part in the OP about schools complaining. If they refuse to provide somewhere to change, they can't complain about us dressing outside. With that said, even the middle schools I speak of above that start their games at 3:00 would find somewhere for us to dress if we wanted.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Edit: And by the way, I do agree with the part in the OP about schools complaining. If they refuse to provide somewhere to change, they can't complain about us dressing outside. With that said, even the middle schools I speak of above that start their games at 3:00 would find somewhere for us to dress if we wanted.

I've yet to see a school that doesn't at least have a public restroom. It might not be ideal, but at least it is not outside where you can get a sunburn.

[APG]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Edit: And by the way, I do agree with the part in the OP about schools complaining. If they refuse to provide somewhere to change, they can't complain about us dressing outside. With that said, even the middle schools I speak of above that start their games at 3:00 would find somewhere for us to dress if we wanted.

If someone has enough time to dress in the parking lot, I would think they would have enough time to find some place inside to dress. I'd ask the head coach where this is...most of the time, it's a closed off locker room for officials, sometimes a room, coach's office...sometimes it's been just a restroom, but any of those places are better than in the parking lot. Probably one of the reasons I'd never work baseball lol

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

As usual, JRut applies his standards to everyone else and they are automatically wrong if they do anything differently than he does. Then he backtracks and tries to talk his way out of it when Snaqwells quotes him.

You should NEVER change clothes outside of a restroom or locker room while on school property. What was witnessed would be enough to get a person charged with indecent exposure...or worse. Given some individuals' propensity for overreaction, it would not be surprising to see someone given lifetime placement on the sex offender registry.

I guess this statement came directly from me? Oh, if you cannot read correctly, this was in the email that was referenced in very first post of this thread from an assignor not in my area.

Originally Posted by zm1283

Edit: And by the way, I do agree with the part in the OP about schools complaining. If they refuse to provide somewhere to change, they can't complain about us dressing outside. With that said, even the middle schools I speak of above that start their games at 3:00 would find somewhere for us to dress if we wanted.

Hmmmmmmmm, interesting. Is that not pretty much the exact statement I made previously?

I better not ever hear you tell others what to they should do, because after all that would be your standards right?

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The part I find hard to believe is that these "influential" people are at all concerned by the the way middle school officials are dressed when they walk in the gym.

Some do, some don't. Just like if someone wore a belt where I've worked, it wouldn't be considered looking professional.