Throw-in spot

[NCHSAA]

Thought I would throw this in: The shot-clock horn does not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle.

Say a player attempts a three point field goal from half court, and the shot clock horn sounds in mid flight. We wait to see if the ball hits the basket, or goes in. If it doesn't, does it make sense to give the ball to the other team at half court?

So I say this situation should be handled with a throw in on the baseline. As the violation occurred when the ball did not hit the basket, or go in. Therefore nearest the spot would be the baseline.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Thought I would throw this in: The shot-clock horn does not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle.

Say a player attempts a three point field goal from half court, and the shot clock horn sounds in mid flight. We wait to see if the ball hits the basket, or goes in. If it doesn't, does it make sense to give the ball to the other team at half court?

So I say this situation should be handled with a throw in on the baseline. As the violation occurred when the ball did not hit the basket, or go in. Therefore nearest the spot would be the baseline.

I believe esteemed members disagree.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Thought I would throw this in: The shot-clock horn does not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle.

Say a player attempts a three point field goal from half court, and the shot clock horn sounds in mid flight. We wait to see if the ball hits the basket, or goes in. If it doesn't, does it make sense to give the ball to the other team at half court?

So I say this situation should be handled with a throw in on the baseline. As the violation occurred when the ball did not hit the basket, or go in. Therefore nearest the spot would be the baseline.

So was my rational thinking somewhat correct?? I don't know what to think now either.

[Scrapper1]

I recently had the pleasure of meeting Art Hyland. I presented him with this question, and before I could finish the question, he was nodding his head, obviously having heard it several times before.

His answer, paraphrased (but pretty close):

"The rules committee has not done a good job of being clear about that. But we've always put it in play at the spot closest to where the shot was taken."

I assume the "we" in that statement is Big East officials, but I didn't feel like I should take more of his time.

So according to the NCAA-M Rules Editor. . . I'm right.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So according to the NCAA-M Rules Editor. . . I'm right.

So is some guy from Nevada who wrote post #7, which you agreed with in post #9.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So is some guy from Nevada who wrote post #7, which you agreed with in post #9.

Credit where credit is due

[JRutledge]

That all sounds great, but if that is how they feel they need to put that in their casebook, because I have never seen a single shot clock violation (from outside the 3 point line) ever put at the spot of the shot. And the way the NCAA Men's Committee seems to get on officials for not applying rules properly, they should address this somewhere if Mr. Hyland feels that way.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I recently had the pleasure of meeting Art Hyland. I presented him with this question, and before I could finish the question, he was nodding his head, obviously having heard it several times before.

His answer, paraphrased (but pretty close):

"The rules committee has not done a good job of being clear about that....

I can think of 3-4 more rules/mechanics that could get this same answer.

[tref]

Never knew this topic would generate such a debate. Seems like none of us really know, for sure. It may be best to ask the one who gives us games how they want it handled...



So what was the result of the travel discussion??

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

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So what was the result of the travel discussion??

We took a poll.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tref

Never knew this topic would generate such a debate. Seems like none of us really know, for sure.

I only officiate high school games, and we don't use a shot clock for public school games here in the Land of Steady Habits, so I have absolutely no input on this shot clock, throwin spot, topic.

I do find it very hard to believe that with all the college officials on this Forum, many being highly respected, esteemed, members, no one can come up with a single correct interpretation to what I would think would be not only a simple question, but a question that would have a very simple answer. I mean, collectively, you college guys must have called thousands of shot clock violations over the years, yet most of you have given little thought as to where the ball is supposed to be put back into play, or, rather, maybe the NCAA has given little thought as to where the ball is supposed to be put back into play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

no one can come up with a single correct interpretation to what I would think would be not only a simple question, but a question that would have a very simple answer

It may be that it is not really that big of a deal. For all practical purposes, the spot of the shot, even if is nearer the sideline, wouldn't make that much of a difference....it is still in the backcourt and a long way from the other basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by camron rust

it may be that it is not really that big of a deal. For all practical purposes, the spot of the shot, even if is nearer the sideline, wouldn't make that much of a difference....it is still in the backcourt and a long way from the other basket.

+1

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It may be that it is not really that big of a deal. For all practical purposes, the spot of the shot, even if is nearer the sideline, wouldn't make that much of a difference....it is still in the backcourt and a long way from the other basket.

What if the ball is thrown from the far FT line just prior to the shot clock expiring and turns out to be an airball (with the horn sounding while the ball is in flight)? Now you have to choose between the two endlines. It could make a difference late in a quarter or half.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What if the ball is thrown from the far FT line just prior to the shot clock expiring and turns out to be an airball (with the horn sounding while the ball is in flight)? Now you have to choose between the two endlines. It could make a difference late in a quarter or half.

You are wise beyond your years, just a week late.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Scrapper's interp may be technically correct but I can say I've never had a game where the throw-in was brought back out to a designated spot nearest the origin of the shot.

I need to pay attention to some of occurrences on TV games and see what they are doing. Really had never put much thought into it before this discussion. Guess it would make a big difference if it occurred in the waning seconds of a close game.