Good game management?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

That approach was ok if the rules say that an official may sit a player...

But what works well for me in that situation (multiple defenders in the vicinity on a foul call) *Tweet* "34 thats yours." It helps eliminate 23 thinking its on him.

For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

Good advice!

-Josh

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

Absolutely +1

[ontheway]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible

[APG]

Originally Posted by ontheway

A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible

Can't say you'll ever find me bird dogging...if the situation happened like in the OP, I'd just verbalize who the foul was on to prevent the potential problem with the other player.

[tref]

Not the bird dog... let's not bring that back

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ontheway

A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible necessary

Fixed it for you.

It's never necessary. As APG noted, just verbalize it.

[ontheway]

what makes you say its never necessary? just wondering im learning too lol

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ontheway

what makes you say its never necessary? just wondering im learning too lol

While "never" may be extreme, it's a relic signal. It's easier to verbalize, and better, IMO. It's less confrontational.

I can't imagine a scenario where it would be better than verbalizing.

If your supervisors and assigners want you to use it, disregard everything I've written on the topic.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ontheway

what makes you say its never necessary? just wondering im learning too lol

It's almost never necessary...for 90+ percent of the calls we make, everyone knows who you're calling it on The only time I could justify using the mechanic, is in a situation like the OP brought up, but I'd rather just use my voice to defuse that situation. Plus IMO, it just looks silly and was a pet peeve of mine watching the tournament this year and every official bird dogging and pointing on all types of calls that no one had a question about.

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Plus IMO, it just looks silly and was a pet peeve of mine watching the tournament this year and every official bird dogging and pointing on all types of calls that no one had a question about.

Unfortunately in TN it is mandatory. The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."

[tref]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."

Thats quite unfortunate

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is a simple matter of expecting officials to follow simple instructions from the state about how they want the game called. If the don't do something so simple as that, why should they believe they'll do what else is asked of them?

Thats one way of looking at it. Another is, WTF does bird dogging have to do with the ultimate goal... getting plays RIGHT?

Originally Posted by ref2coach

The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."

What if the first foul he calls is a fastbreak one on one block/charge? I come out with a block & I have to point the offender out as he lays on his back! It's unfortunate for those who have to follow THAT order.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

Unfortunately in TN it is mandatory. The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."

Does this old codger still communicate via fax too?

[ontheway]

I brought up bird dogging for discussion purposes,. my camp guys all say do something like tref said back in the thread thats how i do it and i like it pretty good