Good game management?

[MD Longhorn]

Tee him up, or don't. There is no try.

[Adam]

Personally, I'd give the T; but I've got no issue with some preventive officiating here. I don't ask the coach to pull the player, however. I'll usually just say something along the lines of, "Coach, you might want to have a word with #23."

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Personally, I'd give the T; but I've got no issue with some preventive officiating here. I don't ask the coach to pull the player, however. I'll usually just say something along the lines of, "Coach, you might want to have a word with #23."

+1

Whether I'd call the T is an HTBT, but I find nothing wrong with the OP's approach.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Whether I'd call the T is an HTBT, but I find nothing wrong with the OP's approach.

That approach was ok if the rules say that an official may sit a player...

But what works well for me in that situation (multiple defenders in the vicinity on a foul call) *Tweet* "34 thats yours." It helps eliminate 23 thinking its on him.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

That approach was ok if the rules say that an official may sit a player...

But what works well for me in that situation (multiple defenders in the vicinity on a foul call) *Tweet* "34 thats yours." It helps eliminate 23 thinking its on him.

For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

Good advice!

-Josh

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

Absolutely +1

[ontheway]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.

• "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  
• "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.

A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible

[APG]

Originally Posted by ontheway

A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible

Can't say you'll ever find me bird dogging...if the situation happened like in the OP, I'd just verbalize who the foul was on to prevent the potential problem with the other player.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ontheway

A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible necessary

Fixed it for you.

It's never necessary. As APG noted, just verbalize it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bainsey

+1

Whether I'd call the T is an HTBT, but I find nothing wrong with the OP's approach.

I find nothing wrong with Snag's approach ... but the OP's approach is awful. I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate. T him or don't T him - as you say, HTBT. But telling the coach whether he can play a player or not is incredibly awful. We, as officials, have absolutely no right to do this. If his actions warrant the T, do it... but even if they do, he can stay in the game - where is it even remotely our place to suggest he sit? Just awful.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I find nothing wrong with Snag's approach ... but the OP's approach is awful. I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate. T him or don't T him - as you say, HTBT. But telling the coach whether he can play a player or not is incredibly awful. We, as officials, have absolutely no right to do this. If his actions warrant the T, do it... but even if they do, he can stay in the game - where is it even remotely our place to suggest he sit? Just awful.

Some areas, and some leagues, this is an accepted practice. These are usually coach-run leagues, so if a coach didn't like the approach it won't last long.

I'd never consider doing this in any regular season game, at any level; but sometimes things can be used during summer ball that can't be used during the regular season.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some areas, and some leagues, this is an accepted practice. These are usually coach-run leagues, so if a coach didn't like the approach it won't last long.

I'd never consider doing this in any regular season game, at any level; but sometimes things can be used during summer ball that can't be used during the regular season.

The problem I see, depending on game situation, is that this kid might be his best player, and your invented penalty of telling the coach to bench him would be WORSE to that team than simply giving them the penalty they earned (the T) ... if the T is even necessary. Who knows how long before that next dead ball so he can reenter ... who knows if you've now forced that team to use a TO to get the kid back in. I can think of SO many things wrong about this, I'm very surprised it's tolerated, much less suggested or accepted.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The problem I see, depending on game situation, is that this kid might be his best player, and your invented penalty of telling the coach to bench him would be WORSE to that team than simply giving them the penalty they earned (the T) ... if the T is even necessary. Who knows how long before that next dead ball so he can reenter ... who knows if you've now forced that team to use a TO to get the kid back in. I can think of SO many things wrong about this, I'm very surprised it's tolerated, much less suggested or accepted.

The emphasis of summer ball is not winning so much as instruction, playing time, conditioning, etc. IOW, it's a learning time. Some coaches request this remedy.
Some don't even shoot free throws for Ts (some just give points, some shoot one shot) in the summer. Others would rather sit the kid, skip the free throws, and keep the game moving.
That said, if I were ever to make such a suggestion, it would be a suggestion only, and a coach would be free to ignore it without penalty. But if I was to take that step, the player would be awfully close to earning the T.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate.

That's on me. I misread that part. I didn't see past "the fingers." I agree with you, MB.