Penalty for Disconcertion . . . by Whom?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

All I said is that the mechanic for a charge is a "push". Around these parts you rarely (if ever) see the 'punch' mechanic reported to the table for offensive fouls on the NCAA Men's side. On the spot of the foul, maybe, but at the table, nope.

So you have a pass/crash, you call a team control foul, but you don't give the team control foul signal at the table, and only "maybe" at the spot of the foul??? So you only give the "push" signal at the table? Why wouldn't you let EVERYBODY know that you're not shooting free throws? FWIW, this is not a men's/women's thing here. My (men's) assignors like the TC signal to be given at the table.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So you have a pass/crash, you call a team control foul, but you don't give the team control foul signal at the table, and only "maybe" at the spot of the foul??? So you only give the "push" signal at the table? Why wouldn't you let EVERYBODY know that you're not shooting free throws? FWIW, this is not a men's/women's thing here. My (men's) assignors like the TC signal to be given at the table.

I gave the 'punch' in a camp a few years ago and the observer advised against using it. Haven't had anybody tell me that I need to use it since then. So far it's working out for me.

I have never had a problem with everybody not knowing what I have on those type of plays.

Not telling anybody what they should do, only what I observe in my environment and what has been successful for me (or at least hasn't hindered me).

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I gave the 'punch' in a camp a few years ago and the observer advised against using it.

I guess this just makes no sense to me. Why would you not give an approved signal that clearly identifies the foul as non-shooting? If the purpose of signals is to communicate, that seems like a pretty good signal to use in that situation.

So let me ask you this: does the assignor tell you not to use the PC signal at the table as well? If not, what do you signal after a crash before the try has been released?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I guess this just makes no sense to me. Why would you not give an approved signal that clearly identifies the foul as non-shooting? If the purpose of signals is to communicate, that seems like a pretty good signal to use in that situation.

So let me ask you this: does the assignor tell you not to use the PC signal at the table as well? If not, what do you signal after a crash before the try has been released?

For whatever reason, the 'punch' hasn't taken hold around these parts. I don't try to explain it nor care to figure it out. I just watch and listen to those who are more successful than myself and try to emulate them.

Not counting AAU/Rec/Intramurals I work for 5 different assignors. Never once has any of them brought up that I (or anyone else) is not properly using the 'punch' mechanic.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not counting AAU/Rec/Intramurals I work for 5 different assignors. Never once has any of them brought up that I (or anyone else) is not properly using the 'punch' mechanic.

I can't blame you for not rocking the boat. I just don't get it. Just to show you how things are different in different places, this happened near the end of this past season. NCAA (D3) men's game. Conference assignor is at the game because it has implications for the conference tourney. Off-ball screen, pretty obvious, not a difficult call, I grab it from the C and report it with the punch at the table, as I always do.

In the locker room after the game, assignor comes in and says, "Good get on the screen. As soon as you blew the whistle, I turned to [another official] and said, 'Watch. He'll use the right signal, too.' "

That's not to toot my horn, just to show you that around here, anyway, the assignors expect the punch to be used. Funny ol' world, in'nit?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I can't blame you for not rocking the boat. I just don't get it. Just to show you how things are different in different places, this happened near the end of this past season. NCAA (D3) men's game. Conference assignor is at the game because it has implications for the conference tourney. Off-ball screen, pretty obvious, not a difficult call, I grab it from the C and report it with the punch at the table, as I always do.

In the locker room after the game, assignor comes in and says, "Good get on the screen. As soon as you blew the whistle, I turned to [another official] and said, 'Watch. He'll use the right signal, too.' "

That's not to toot my horn, just to show you that around here, anyway, the assignors expect the punch to be used. Funny ol' world, in'nit?

Yep...I was in a college camp a couple weeks ago. It was a mixed group because the supervisor assigns both men and women. I was working with a NCAA-M crew but in front of a NCAA-W official who was observing. He asked me why I was using HS mechanics. I asked if he was talking about my one-handed reporting. He said "no, you keep raising your hand to stop the clock on OOB calls" I told him my #1 supervisor is a stickler for that.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not counting AAU/Rec/Intramurals I work for 5 different assignors. Never once has any of them brought up that I (or anyone else) is not properly using the 'punch' mechanic.

I bet if you used it, they wouldn't bring it up either.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I bet if you used it, they wouldn't bring it up either.

You are probably right. But since none of them bring it up and it's not a natural part of my game I'll leave it alone for now. But rest assured if I was told (or advised) that I need to use it I would get in the mirror and start practicing.