Penalty for Disconcertion . . . by Whom?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Freddy

This is what I'm trying to find on the basis of a rule--whether indeed a violation can be called on bench personnel. My supervisor, whom I regard as much more rules knowledgable than anyone I know, was under the distinct impression that violations can only be called on players on the floor. I'm not out to disagree with him, only to become definitively clear on the issue.

I sure do thank those whose efforts have helped me thus far and, though I've studied the previous posts on this site, I will also check out the NFHS site a little later this afternoon.

Let me add this, if your supervisor wants this penalized with a T, do it his way. If he would be interested in discussing the rule, you could approach him and ask if he thinks "opponent" only includes "player" here.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me add this, if your supervisor wants this penalized with a T, do it his way. If he would be interested in discussing the rule, you could approach him and ask if he thinks "opponent" only includes "player" here.

Went to a JC camp last month & the "supervisor" wanted a pass/crass to be a push as opposed to a punch & FTs to be awarded to the offended

[Zoochy]

I posted this many months ago. I had a fellow official call Disconcertion on a cheerleader. He was the lead and I was the trail of a 3-man crew. I got an earful from the coach of the team that was penalized.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Went to a JC camp last month & the "supervisor" wanted a pass/crass to be a push as opposed to a punch

A "pass and crash" would be a 'charging' foul on the offender which is reported with the 'push' mechanic.

[tref]

So you signal it a push & award FTs too?

How about illegal screens, do you signal block & award FTs?

I could've swore offensive fouls were punched out & sent up North...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

So you signal it a push & award FTs too?

How about illegal screens, do you signal block & award FTs?

I could've swore offensive fouls were punched out & sent up North...

Being cute with the wrong one T.

I don't know where you got these awarded free throws from.

All I said is that the mechanic for a charge is a "push". Around these parts you rarely (if ever) see the 'punch' mechanic reported to the table for offensive fouls on the NCAA Men's side. On the spot of the foul, maybe, but at the table, nope.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Being cute with the wrong one T.

I don't know where you got these awarded free throws from.

All I said is that the mechanic for a charge is a "push". Around these parts you rarely (if ever) see the 'punch' mechanic reported to the table for offensive fouls on the NCAA Men's side. On the spot of the foul, maybe, but at the table, nope.

Check my original post, I fixed it... not trying to be cute at all. I left the awarding FTs part out before. This is what "he" said.

Page 169 shows the punch signal & the text below it says team-control/player-control

FTR, the calling official did punch it at the spot. Help me out BNR!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Check my original post, I fixed it... not trying to be cute at all. I left the awarding FTs part out before. This is what "he" said.

Page 169 shows the punch signal & the text below it says team-control/player-control

FTR, the calling official did punch it at the spot. Help me out BNR!

All I can that around here if you 'punch' at the table in camp someone will ask if you work on the Women's side. On the spot you'll see a 'punch' sometimes, usually from the lead.

Now, as far a FT's, well obviously this supervisor was having some kind of major brain fart.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

All I said is that the mechanic for a charge is a "push". Around these parts you rarely (if ever) see the 'punch' mechanic reported to the table for offensive fouls on the NCAA Men's side. On the spot of the foul, maybe, but at the table, nope.

So you have a pass/crash, you call a team control foul, but you don't give the team control foul signal at the table, and only "maybe" at the spot of the foul??? So you only give the "push" signal at the table? Why wouldn't you let EVERYBODY know that you're not shooting free throws? FWIW, this is not a men's/women's thing here. My (men's) assignors like the TC signal to be given at the table.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So you have a pass/crash, you call a team control foul, but you don't give the team control foul signal at the table, and only "maybe" at the spot of the foul??? So you only give the "push" signal at the table? Why wouldn't you let EVERYBODY know that you're not shooting free throws? FWIW, this is not a men's/women's thing here. My (men's) assignors like the TC signal to be given at the table.

I gave the 'punch' in a camp a few years ago and the observer advised against using it. Haven't had anybody tell me that I need to use it since then. So far it's working out for me.

I have never had a problem with everybody not knowing what I have on those type of plays.

Not telling anybody what they should do, only what I observe in my environment and what has been successful for me (or at least hasn't hindered me).