Agree or Disagree?

[stiffler3492]

Summer league game.

Things are starting to get a little chippy, Team A is blowing out Team B. A1 drives to the basket, B1 fouls hard, bringing his arms down on to A1's arms and chest.

I had warned B1 previously about pushing and shoving. I told B's coach he should take him out of the game. He asked if I was calling the foul flagrant. I said no, but it was close. He said OK and sat him for about five minutes. No problems after that.

Agree or disagree with how I handled it?

[bainsey]

HTBT, but did you consider intentional, as opposed to flagrant (assuming NFHS rule set)?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Agree or disagree with how I handled it?

I would disagree. You're gave the situation lip service.

Call the INT foul and penalize B1 for his actions.

[JRutledge]

It is summer league so I have no problem with that. Those games are for teaching and for kids to get a chance to play and learn from the experience. No problem with your approach, but then again I live in your area so that is the general attitude about those games. This especially works when you work the league multiple times and the coaches and players see you often.

Peace

[Adam]

If you're considering flagrant, you most likely should go with an intentional. It sends the message. Like Rut, I don't particularly have a problem with making a suggestion to a coach, but be prepared to be ignored. In summer ball, you can pull this stuff a little more, but I'd never even consider it during the season.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you're considering flagrant, you most likely should go with an intentional. It sends the message. Like Rut, I don't particularly have a problem with making a suggestion to a coach, but be prepared to be ignored. In summer ball, you can pull this stuff a little more, but I'd never even consider it during the season.

Many of these games at least around here do not even foul out players normally, so that is when I would have no problem making such a request. I would also never do this in a regular season game as fouls mean something. Here they often do not.

Peace

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you're considering flagrant, you most likely should go with an intentional. It sends the message. Like Rut, I don't particularly have a problem with making a suggestion to a coach, but be prepared to be ignored. In summer ball, you can pull this stuff a little more, but I'd never even consider it during the season.

Yeah, I agree with not making a suggestion like this during the season. My thinking was, I'd rather it not escalate. Sit him down, cool his head.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Many of these games at least around here do not even foul out players normally, so that is when I would have no problem making such a request. I would also never do this in a regular season game as fouls mean something. Here they often do not.

Yeah, this particular league doesn't keep track of player fouls, just team fouls. The emphasis is on game action, not standing around shooting free throws.

[btaylor64]

I am definitely not going to ask a coach to remove one of his own players. He is a man and the coach of that team, I am not, and he can make that decision on his own. Doing so just invites conflict and controversy in most sitches. We are the arbiters of the court, not barterers. We don't go out there to make deals and negotiate. I try to handle business by doing what is right, what is also good for the game and what best fits the situation in time during the game, while being correct rule wise. We usually have several tools to use in varying situations. Use which one you feel is best for the game. If you were told you were wrong in doing what you did. Go back, re-evaluate, re-assess and see if you can do it better next time.

As far as the play goes.... HTBT.... if the player was being chippy while they were getting there butt kicked send a message that you aren't going to let him go headhunting or go kamikaze just to inflict some damage. Call the intentional, if it is worse dump him. Having him out of the game certainly can't hurt your game from what you describe.