2011 NCAAM Sweet 16

[APG]

Was asked to get this clip and get the forum's response to the call in the chat room yesterday.



Agree/disagree?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Agree/disagree?

Easy call: Travel.

[just another ref]

I think he traveled twice, the second of which was simultaneous with committing a player control foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Easy call: Travel.

Disregard if he traveled or not...what is your call on the block/charge call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Disregard if he traveled or not. What is your call on the block/charge call.

That will cost you extra.

[bob jenkins]

I'd have a charge on the plays presented in posts 121, 123 and 139.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd have a charge on the plays presented in posts 121, 123 and 139.

And that is the way, if we're going to lump all of these into one discussion, to reference the plays.

121...defender slid under late, still moving sideways after the shooter was airborne and the contact was largely on the leading shoulder...block.

123...defender also late, block....the defender was not in the path at the moment the shooter left the floor...his torso continued to move laterally another 1-2 feet after the shooter jumped and before contact.

139...travel, 2 times....but the contact looked like a charge....except for the constant hand on shooter throughout the play.

148...Intentional foul....no attempt at the ball whatsoever.

[tref]

I thought the defender established & maintained LGP & the offense went to & through, but the calling official obviously, really liked his call

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Easy call: Travel.

LOL!!!

[APG]

This play is being referenced in another thread.



Run of the mill shooting foul or upgrade to an intentional?

[Adam]

Wow, after seeing the play, it's an easy int in my games. Of course, I recognize that Rut's area probably has a different effing standard for this play.

But he doesn't even pretend to try to get the ball when he grabs the waist.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, after seeing the play, it's an easy int in my games. Of course, I recognize that Rut's area probably has a different effing standard for this play.

But he doesn't even pretend to try to get the ball when he grabs the waist.

Actually I think the first action was to slap at the ball. The other arm was around him, but the foul was on the shooting arm. And no this is not an area thing, this is a judgment thing. I probably call more Intentional Fouls than many people here or in my area, and I call the first action, not the second action or action that did not affect the play. If we call what a player does second a lot, then you will have intentional fouls in almost every end of game situation.

I would rather error on the side of not calling an intentional in this case where it is not "obvious" to everyone then call one that we have to debate.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually I think the first action was to slap at the ball. The other arm was around him, but the foul was on the shooting arm. ...
Peace

This is what I saw initially also. That's why in the other thread I was surprised not to see an OBVIOUS intentional foul the first time I watched the play after reading about it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

This play is being referenced in another thread.

YouTube - Possible Intentional Foul?

Run of the mill shooting foul or upgrade to an intentional?

Not as obvious an intentional foul as I was expecting based on all the chatter here. Have no problem if they had come together and gone with IF but seeing the play at normal speed the first time I thought the player initially made a play on the ball. Further scrutiny leads to going IF but I can understand how the officials didn't go with an IF at the moment.

[Camron Rust]

I have no idea who's idea it was to lump all discussions about the games into one thread but it is a horrible idea. It is nearly impossible to tell which comments go with which play at this point.