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bob jenkins Thu Mar 24, 2011 08:45am

2011 NCAAM Sweet 16
 
To talk about this week's action

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grunewar Fri Mar 25, 2011 04:03am

Jimmer - gone,
Coach K - gone,
Sir Charles picked AZ and has bragging rights, and most importantly,
my wife's bracket still has Fla moving forward.......

Lcubed48 Fri Mar 25, 2011 04:14am

The Capitol of the Confederacy & March Madness
 
Go Spiders & Go Rams!!!! It's not likely, but it would be great to see a UR vs VCU regional final. Not too shabby for the River City.

What's also great, is that both teams have 2 players each from the immediate area - VCU = Rozzell & Burgess -- UR = Harper & Brothers.

On my way in to work tonight, I noticed the Richmond has a sign board along one of the expressways that is counting down to the Spiders' tip off.

Raymond Fri Mar 25, 2011 07:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcubed48 (Post 743596)
Go Spiders & Go Rams!!!! It's not likely, but it would be great to see a UR vs VCU regional final. Not too shabby for the River City.

What's also great, is that both teams have 2 players each from the immediate area - VCU = Rozzell & Burgess -- UR = Harper & Brothers.

On my way in to work tonight, I noticed the Richmond has a sign board along one of the expressways that is counting down to the Spiders' tip off.

This may be Chris Mooney's last weekend coaching in Richmond. Shaka's also.

APG Fri Mar 25, 2011 07:56am

Play during the Bulter v. Wisconsin
 
Some discussion in the chat room last night on the following play. Agree or disagree with the call.

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Raymond Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:13am

If he had set that screen without also having the ball would you have a problem with it?

CLH Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:14am

I got nuthin....

APG Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:15am

Well I had illegal screen on the play but some argued against the call.

CLH Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:26am

#11 is not trying to screen, he's passing the ball and gets hit by a defender. If there is anything on this play its a defensive foul on #54.

Raymond Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH (Post 743643)
#11 is not trying to screen, he's passing the ball and gets hit by a defender. If there is anything on this play its a defensive foul on #54.

Just because he had the ball doesn't mean he wasn't trying to set a screen.

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:56am

I do not have a foul, but that's after seeing the play in slow-motion replay.

In real time, I can see if one, me included, were to call this a foul.

Just one fact first: the contact occurred when the ball was out of A1's hands.

What I see is two players moving along their chosen paths. The offensive player's path is created first when he moves parallel to the end line. (He happens to be facing away from the basket - but the direction he faces doesn't matter.) After A1's path is established, defensive player B1 begins his path. They collide because the chosen paths of the two players intersect.

Since the offensive player established his path first, the onus is on the defensive player to avoid illegal contact.

The million dollar question is:

Does a player giving up player possession need to give time and distance if said player is committed to an established path? I say "no".

JRutledge Fri Mar 25, 2011 08:57am

It does look like he threw his body into the defender to shield the pass attempt.

Not sure I would have called anything at first glance, but it appears to be the right call.

Peace

CLH Fri Mar 25, 2011 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 743647)
Just because he had the ball doesn't mean he wasn't trying to set a screen.

I'm not sure I said having the ball means you cannot screen. What I did say is he's making a pass and not screening, therefore this is not an illegal screen and a no-call would probably be the best decision, but if call a foul you must, defensive foul would be more appropriate than an illegal screen. ;)

Raymond Fri Mar 25, 2011 09:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH (Post 743656)
I'm not sure I said having the ball means you cannot screen. What I did say is he's making a pass and not screening, therefore this is not an illegal screen and a no-call would probably be the best decision, but if call a foul you must, defensive foul would be more appropriate than an illegal screen. ;)

Looks to me that he was passing the ball and setting a screen. I was an expert at setting screens in the high post while dropping the ball off to a cutting guard.


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