Backcourt

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Point four for backcourt violations:

First to touch the ball after it achieved a backcourt status

Now when does it become a violation?

I don't recall ever blowing it dead until after an offensive player has chased it into BC and touched the ball in BC. I believe I have been correct in allowing the play to continue until this occurs, as the defense could chase it- pick it up and drive.

Thought this was pretty clear, but after reading this thread, some of the wording made it appear that as soon as the ball bounced in BC it was already a BC-violation. Had to ask.

[APG]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

I don't recall ever blowing it dead until after an offensive player has chased it into BC and touched the ball in BC. I believe I have been correct in allowing the play to continue until this occurs, as the defense could chase it- pick it up and drive.

Thought this was pretty clear, but after reading this thread, some of the wording made it appear that as soon as the ball bounced in BC it was already a BC-violation. Had to ask.

The violation occurs when the team in control touches it first after the ball gained backcourt status. It's not a violation to cause the ball to obtain a backcourt status (contrary to a ridiculous interpretation by the NFHS).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

I don't recall ever blowing it dead until after an offensive player has chased it into BC and touched the ball in BC. I believe I have been correct in allowing the play to continue until this occurs, as the defense could chase it- pick it up and drive.

Thought this was pretty clear, but after reading this thread, some of the wording made it appear that as soon as the ball bounced in BC it was already a BC-violation. Had to ask.

The offensive team must be the first to touch the ball after it went into the BC in order for a violation to occur.

Let me ask you a follow up question:

Where do you administer the throw-in on a BC violation?

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The offensive team must be the first to touch the ball after it went into the BC in order for a violation to occur.

Let me ask you a follow up question:

Where do you administer the throw-in on a BC violation?

Whaa? That is a great question Snaqs.

I will say that most of the BC violations are called at the division line, so most designated spot throw-ins are at the division line. However, if I think I see where your question is to lead me, "spot nearest where the violation occurred", ?, I can say that I have never advanced the all up to division line if BC violation was called deep in BC, say around the endline.

Is this correct? If so I admit that even if I have been getting it done right, I have not been doing it for the right reasons.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

Whaa? That is a great question Snaqs.

I will say that most of the BC violations are called at the division line, so most designated spot throw-ins are at the division line. However, if I think I see where your question is to lead me, "spot nearest where the violation occurred", ?, I can say that I have never advanced the all up to division line if BC violation was called deep in BC, say around the endline.

Is this correct? If so I admit that even if I have been getting it done right, I have not been doing it for the right reasons.

What does the rule say?

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What does the rule say?

I do not know what the NFHS book says. That is why I am asking.

Almost every bit of rules knowledge I have obtained, has came from on-court experience. I have not owned a NFHS book since the late 1990's, and even though I have been working games for over 15 years, I have only done youth and adult Rec leagues.

I will be joining my state association before next season, attending at least one clinic this summer, and intend to progress. This forum has been a great source of information regarding rule interpretations, odd-situations, and most appreciated- the citing of NFHS Rules/Cases when answering questions.

[Adam]

Okay, the violation is for contacting the ball after it goes into the backcourt. So that should answer all of your questions on this, right?

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, the violation is for contacting the ball after it goes into the backcourt. So that should answer all of your questions on this, right?

All but one, that I believe you were implying.

On a BC violation, the ball is spotted where?

My answer: The spot nearest the violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

I do not know what the NFHS book says. That is why I am asking.

The general rule of thumb is to have a designated spot throw-in closest to where the violation occurred. For backcourt violations, that would be where the ball was touched.

Note though that there are some exceptions such as defensive goaltending or basket interference. In those cases, the throw-in is a non-designated spot throw-in same as after every basket.

The only real way to try and get these rules right is to get the relevant rule books every year and study them. it's good to see that you have the desire to improve your officiating skills. Hopefully the people here can assist you. There are some very knowledgable officials posting here. And....we all come here to learn from them.

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The only real way to try and get these rules right is to get the relevant rule books every year and study them. it's good to see that you have the desire to improve your officiating skills. Hopefully the people here can assist you. There are some very knowledgable officials posting here. And....we all come here to learn from them.

Very much agreed.