Great officials gesture

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

NFHS - I don't have my books handy. But, in HS, if one team is ready to go and the other not, don't you need to maintain the TO length. i.e. - you can't shorten a 60 sec TO to 40 secs unless both teams are ready, correct?

So, you're saying it's different in NCAA?

You are correct for NFHS, I believe the calling team has the option to shorten it in NCAA.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You are correct for NFHS, I believe the calling team has the option to shorten it in NCAA.

Under NCAA rules when the calling team breaks the huddle and I'm advising the other team it that the T-O is over.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You are correct for NFHS, I believe the calling team has the option to shorten it in NCAA.

I was told that for the TOs for the JUCO Tournament (uses NCAA Rules), that if the calling team breaks the huddle early, to buzz the horn & to give the other team the additional 15 seconds after the 1st horn to break the huddle before buzzing a 2nd time.

[Adam]

Well looky there, a rule difference that affects the timer.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well looky there, a rule difference that affects the timer.

You forgot the NCAA Timing Rule that stops the clock after a made basket in the last minute of play of the 2nd half/OT.

Something that the NFHS has not adopted.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was told that for the TOs for the JUCO Tournament (uses NCAA Rules), that if the calling team breaks the huddle early, to buzz the horn & to give the other team the additional 15 seconds after the 1st horn to break the huddle before buzzing a 2nd time.

That would not be correct.

Art. 14

Shortened timeouts:

a. The team that requests a timeout may shorten that timeout when the captain/head coach notifies the official of the team's intent. Exception: The first team-called timeout of the second half or extra period in a game involving elect ronic-media timeout format as in 5-13-10.d.

d. When a request has been made to shorten any timeout for a purpose other than for substitution(s), a warning horn shall be sounded immediately and 15 seconds later another signal shall be sounded to resume play.

In other words, the coach or captain has to notify the officials, and the officials will notify the table of the request to shorten the TO. Don't automatically assume the team wants a shortened TO and sound the horn early without notification. What if the coach doesn't have much to say, but wants his players to get the full time to catch their breath? Why would you take that away from them?

[M&M Guy]

Well, looky there, a rule that mentions a duty of the captain.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That would not be correct.

Art. 14

Shortened timeouts:

a. The team that requests a timeout may shorten that timeout when the captain/head coach notifies the official of the team's intent. Exception: The first team-called timeout of the second half or extra period in a game involving elect ronic-media timeout format as in 5-13-10.d.

d. When a request has been made to shorten any timeout for a purpose other than for substitution(s), a warning horn shall be sounded immediately and 15 seconds later another signal shall be sounded to resume play.

In other words, the coach or captain has to notify the officials, and the officials will notify the table of the request to shorten the TO. Don't automatically assume the team wants a shortened TO and sound the horn early without notification. What if the coach doesn't have much to say, but wants his players to get the full time to catch their breath? Why would you take that away from them?

Those of us that were scoreboard/timer, were told to buzz the warning horn as soon as the calling team's playing 5 were back on the floor, I never noticed any notifications/requests made to shorten the TOs.

However neither the coaches nor officials complained about it being done that way.

I waited until the playing 5 from the calling team were back on the floor until sounding the first horn, the scoreboard system in use had the TO Timer built-in so both teams could see how much time was left in the TO.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Those of us that were scoreboard/timer, were told to buzz the warning horn as soon as the calling team's playing 5 were back on the floor,

The point is, you were told the wrong thing.

Go ahead and do what you were told.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The point is, you were told the wrong thing.

Go ahead and do what you were told.

Bob, before I sounded the 1st horn, I made sure that the calling team was fully out of the huddle & ready to play (aka the calling team was done with the TO).

If it was the wrong thing done, then why was there not any notifications from the coaches &/or officials?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Bob, before I sounded the 1st horn, I made sure that the calling team was fully out of the huddle & ready to play (aka the calling team was done with the TO).

If it was the wrong thing done, then why was there not any notifications from the coaches &/or officials?

Officials are (generally) glad for anything that speeds up the game. They likely were waiting for a (either coach) to say something.

The coaches didn't notice or didn't care.

None of which makes it right.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Those of us that were scoreboard/timer, were told to buzz the warning horn as soon as the calling team's playing 5 were back on the floor, I never noticed any notifications/requests made to shorten the TOs.

However neither the coaches nor officials complained about it being done that way.

I hate to call it a "myth" and have Billy add it to his list, but it is a common misconception. Now, if both teams are coming out early, then we can certainly shorten the TO without notification, and that happens quite often.

Now, on a practical side, simply don't sound the horn when the calling team comes out early. If the officials persist in having you sound it without any notice, then go ahead and do as you were told.

[M&M Guy]

Or, what Bob said.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That would not be correct.

Maybe, but if the officials tell the timer to use a certain trigger, that's what he is supposed to do.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but if the officials tell the timer to use a certain trigger, that's what he is supposed to do.

The trigger on the taser?