Calling All Table Officials

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

According to NCAA rule book (Art 2-11), Scorekeeper is supposed to signal nearest official for bonus. Why would a referee tried to decipher the scoreboard?

I'm meaning high school, not college, so a bit of a difference in rules.

From what I have noticed in NCAA rules, there's only one scorer, compared to 2 in HS.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I'm meaning high school, not college, so a bit of a difference in rules.

From what I have noticed in NCAA rules, there's only one scorer, compared to 2 in HS.

How is the rule different under NFHS?

2-11
The scorer shall:
Art. 10...Signal in each half when a player commits a common foul beginning with his/her team's seventh and 10th foul.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How is the rule different under NFHS?

2-11
The scorer shall:
Art. 10...Signal in each half when a player commits a common foul beginning with his/her team's seventh and 10th foul.

However, the timer is not supposed to signal bonus/double bonus.

I was meaning as a timer I'll signal.

Unfortunately, in my neck of the woods no one seems to really study the rules/regulations that works table, nor do they do what is recommended in Appendix IV in the Officials' Manual.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

However, the timer is not supposed to signal bonus/double bonus.

I was meaning as a timer I'll signal.

Unfortunately, in my neck of the woods no one seems to really study the rules/regulations that works table, nor do they do what is recommended in Appendix IV in the Officials' Manual.

And that's frustrating, isn't it?

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

However, the timer is not supposed to signal bonus/double bonus.

I was meaning as a timer I'll signal.

Unfortunately, in my neck of the woods no one seems to really study the rules/regulations that works table, nor do they do what is recommended in Appendix IV in the Officials' Manual.

I don't get your point. Leeball showed the rule that said the scorer is suppose to signal the official when a team reaches the bonus. He asked why an official would try to decipher the board when the scorer is suppose to inform him. Then you said something about a rules difference.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I'm meaning high school, not college, so a bit of a difference in rules.

From what I have noticed in NCAA rules, there's only one scorer, compared to 2 in HS.

What's the difference in rules?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What's the difference in rules?

Basically the obvious: bigger court, men having the different 3-pt. line, timing regulations, table setup, officials' mechanics.

Anything else I'm missing?

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Basically the obvious: bigger court, men having the different 3-pt. line, timing regulations, table setup, officials' mechanics.

Anything else I'm missing?

What are you talking about?! You implied there was a rules difference in the duties of the timer in NFHS and NCAA.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What are you talking about?! You implied there was a rules difference in the duties of the timer in NFHS and NCAA.

NCAA:

Section 10. Duties of Timer
The official timer shall:
Art. 1. Be provided with a game clock to be used for timing periods and
intermissions and a digital stopwatch. The game clock & digital stopwatch
shall be placed so that they may be seen by both the timer & the shot-clock operator.
Art. 2. Operate the game clock.
Art. 3. Note and notify the referee more than three minutes before each half is to start.
Art. 4. Signal the scorers three minutes before starting time.
Art. 5. Record playing time & time of stoppages.
Art. 6. Notify an official when the timer has information pertaining to a timing mistake.
Art. 7. Start the game clock as prescribed in Rule 5-9.
Art. 8. Start the digital stopwatch for a charged timeout, to replace a disqualified player, (women) to remedy a lost, irritated or displaced contact lens, & signal the referee when it is time to resume play.
Art. 9. Sound a warning horn 15 seconds before the expiration of the 20-second time limit to replace a disqualified or injured player. The signal also shall be sounded at the end of the 20 seconds to replace a disqualified or injured player.
Art. 10. Sound a warning horn 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or charged timeout. A second signal shall be given at the expiration of an intermission or a charged timeout. Play shall be resumed immediately upon the sounding of the second signal.
Art. 11. Stop the game clock as prescribed in Rule 5-10.
Art. 12. Stop the game clock after a successful field goal with 59.9 seconds or less remaining in the game or any extra period.
Art. 13. Use the game-clock horn when the ball has become dead & a correctable error situation has been brought to the scorer’s attention by a
coach.
Art. 14. Indicate with the red light or LED lights the expiration of playing time in each half or extra period. This signal shall terminate player activity. When a red light is not present, the indicator that shall terminate players’ activity shall be the sounding of the game-clock horn.
Art. 15. Enter the playing court or use other means to immediately notify the referee when the timers’ red light signal or LED lights fail to operate or be
seen or when a game-clock horn fails to sound or is inaudible. When, in the meantime, a goal has been made or a foul has occurred, the referee shall consult the timers.
a. When the timers agree that time expired before a try for field goal was in flight, the goal shall not count.
b. When the timers agree that the period ended before a foul occurred as in Rule 5-7.3.c, the foul shall be disregarded unless it was a flagrant technical foul or (men) a contact dead ball technical foul.
c. When the timers disagree about the expiration of time before a successful try for field goal or foul, the goal shall count or the foul shall be penalized unless the referee has knowledge that alters such a ruling.

NFHS:

SECTION 12 TIMER’S DUTIES
The timer shall:
ART. 1 . . . Note when each half is to start and shall notify the referee more than three minutes before this time so the referee may notify the teams, or cause them to be notified, at least three minutes before the half is to start.
ART. 2 . . . Signal the scorer three minutes before starting time.
ART. 3 . . . Be provided with a clock to be used for timing quarters, extra periods and intermissions, and a stopwatch for timing time-outs. The clock shall be operated by the official timer. The clock and a stopwatch shall be placed so that they may be seen by the timer. The clock shall be started or stopped as prescribed in Rule 5-8 and 5-9.
ART. 4 . . . Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or a 60-second charged time-out and at 15 seconds of a 30-second time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to be ready to resume play, and signal again at the end of the intermission or time-out.
ART. 5 . . . Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of the 20 seconds (maximum) permitted for replacing a disqualified or injured player, or for a player directed to leave the game.
NOTE: The official shall signal the timer to begin the 20-second interval for replacing an injured player after the injured player has been removed from the court and the coach has been notified that a replacement is required, except as in 3-3-6.
ART. 6 . . . Stop the clock at the expiration of time for each quarter or extra period, and when an official signals time-out, as in 5-8. For an intermission or a charged time-out, start the stopwatch and signal the referee as outlined in Article 5.
ART. 7 . . . Indicate by signal the expiration of playing time in each quarter or extra period. If a red/LED light is used, the light is the official expiration of playing time.

Article 5 of Timer's Duties in NCAA is a difference as I've never heard of a HS Timer having to record playing time & time of stoppages.

Also, unless misunderstanding the concepts, the timer in NCAA has more authority than a HS Timer does.

Anything else missing??

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

NCAA and NFHS:

Section 10. Duties of Timer
The official timer shall:
Art. 1.Flick a switch to start and stop the clock
Art. 2. Push some buttons to keep the score
Art. 3. STFU.

Fixed it for ya.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Fixed it for ya.

Sorry but unless on the NCAA Rules Committee or the NFHS Rules Committee, your changes are null & void.

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Fixed it for ya.

NCAA and NFHS:

Section 10. Duties of Timer
The official timer shall:
Art. 1.Flick a switch to start and stop the clock
Art. 2. Push some buttons to keep the score
Art. 3. STFU.


JR,
Have you ever thought about writing poetry? Priceless words and acronyms!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Also, unless misunderstanding the concepts,

Didn't read the whole thread, but in general, I choose this one.

[Adam]

This is why, in the other thread, I stated that I never trust the board. If I see 6 or even 7 on the board, I ask the scorer (not the timer) to verify that we're in the bonus. I do the same thing when I see 10 for the first time. Too many timers jump the gun or get this wrong, I'm not trusting the score board.

To me, it tells me we're getting close, but I generally know that anyway.