Good block?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

btw, after watching the replay again, the official gives no sign of wanting to call a foul....he's just simply moving to get out of the way of the ball.

It's NBA, remember. That doesn't mean a lot to most of us here. In the other current thread where the guys goes from the 3 point line without a dribble to dunk, the NCAA guys there show no sign of wanting to call a travel, either.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's NBA, remember. That doesn't mean a lot to most of us here. In the other current thread where the guys goes from the 3 point line without a dribble to dunk, the NCAA guys there show no sign of wanting to call a travel, either.

What does it being a play in the NBA have to do with it? I agree with jeffpea's statement and it looks clearly to me he was just trying to get out of the way of the ball. Even if he was thinking about calling a foul, you wouldn't see an NBA official come out with a blocking prelim on this type of play.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What does it being a play in the NBA have to do with it?

NBA rules and standards for applying rules seem to vary considerably from most NFHS games I see.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

NBA rules and standards for applying rules seem to vary considerably from most NFHS games I see.

They are? Maybe to those that are here, but not to everyone that officiates basketball.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

NBA rules and standards for applying rules seem to vary considerably from most NFHS games I see.

Okay, but you said that in response to jeffpea saying he though the official was getting out of the way. I don't get what the play being in the NBA has to do with that.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Okay, but you said that in response to jeffpea saying he though the official was getting out of the way. I don't get what the play being in the NBA has to do with that.

I don't know what getting out of the way has to do with it. I would get out of the way, too. I thought the point was that the official did not seem at all inclined to consider a foul call. In the NBA, this did not surprise. In high school, I thought most would call the foul.

We could always have a poll.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They are? Maybe to those that are here, but not to everyone that officiates basketball.

Peace

What's your point?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What's your point?

The point is that a lot of people in the officiating communtity do not dismiss everything that happens in the NBA like people here always seem to do. That is the point.

Peace

[Welpe]

Thanks for the feedback, Jeff and Rich.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Out of curiosity...this seems like quite a bit of contact against an airborne shooter. BNR, JRut...are you guys saying that this should be ignored because the shot is blocked?

See Rich's comment.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

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Obviously some people here agree and some disagree -- but in a higher level boys game I feel I'm expected to let that one go.

Actually the first time I learned this lesson was my very first BIG TIME high school basketball game about 6 years ago on a play between 2 future D1 ball players. And the observer who told me I should not have called it a foul was a female.

[referee99]

This forum is such a fantastic resource on so many levels, but its threads like this that reveal which forum contributors you would want to work a game with.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by referee99

This forum is such a fantastic resource on so many levels, but its threads like this that reveal which forum contributors you would want to work a game with.

I like this post. It says you fall into one of the two schools of thought but doesn't give anything away.

[btaylor64]

Guys I have been following this debate since the thread started and it was very civilized and well debated imo....

My personal opinion is that this is not a foul, as the defender blocks the ball virtually with his forearm and the block is just slightly prior to the contact which tells me he gets to the ball LEGALLY before any contact. Similar plays like these are called and should be called differently imo or should I say judge each one of these plays on its own merits, bc had the defender obviously contacted the off. player before the block, that now makes it a foul or as another example, had the defender contacted the off. player sooo hard and smashed him into the stanchion or sent him beyond the first row and he shot off the defender's body like a cannon, that is some of the visual cues that tell me the contact was too much to ignore even with a blocked shot. But the off. player falls just about a foot off the floor and the contact doesnt look to be, imo, too great for a foul.

Can I see this being a foul in a HS game.... yes... I would prefer it wasn't but I wouldn't question an official for making it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Guys I have been following this debate since the thread started and it was very civilized and well debated imo....

My personal opinion is that this is not a foul, as the defender blocks the ball virtually with his forearm and the block is just slightly prior to the contact which tells me he gets to the ball LEGALLY before any contact. Similar plays like these are called and should be called differently imo or should I say judge each one of these plays on its own merits, bc had the defender obviously contacted the off. player before the block, that now makes it a foul or as another example, had the defender contacted the off. player sooo hard and smashed him into the stanchion or sent him beyond the first row and he shot off the defender's body like a cannon, that is some of the visual cues that tell me the contact was too much to ignore even with a blocked shot. But the off. player falls just about a foot off the floor and the contact doesnt look to be, imo, too great for a foul.

Can I see this being a foul in a HS game.... yes... I would prefer it wasn't but I wouldn't question an official for making it.

I understand there are different opinions (it would take a fool to deny it), and differing opinions on this have been expressed by people I respect. Let me just as one question that may come across as over-the-top.

Are you saying that an airborne shooter is fair game if his shot has been blocked before contact?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I understand there are different opinions (it would take a fool to deny it), and differing opinions on this have been expressed by people I respect. Let me just as one question that may come across as over-the-top.

Are you saying that an airborne shooter is fair game if his shot has been blocked before contact?

You should re-read his post. He gave examples of contact after the blocked shot that would warrant a foul call.