Good Block or penalty?

[bigjohn]

YouTube - Awesome Football block

[TXMike]

High (but not too high) and on the side. No foul

[mbyron]

Looks good to me. Head in front, didn't touch the player's back. What would the foul be?

[bigjohn]

it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

You can't flag a sound. Looks like he hit pads to me.

[bigjohn]

No but I can see the blockers helmet hit the defender in the earhole.

NFHS Forum: Good Block or Penalty?

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

The blocker does not seem to have made any effort to initiate contact below the shoulders as he was clearly targeting his opponents head, and it does appear that the initial contact was made with his head, to his oppnents head. From the angle shown on the film, It appears to have deserved a flag ESPECIALLY at the Pop Warner level.

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

"Hear it" ???? Where in the world did you ever learn to make a call that way?

Maybe some of you have better quality computers and or connections and you are seeing detail I do not see but I do not see the helmets contact intentionally or unintentionally.

[bigjohn]

intent doesn't matter and it only matters that the blocker is initiating the contact with his helmet.

[TXMike]

"Well coach, if it happened like you saw it then it was a foul and a missed call. I can just tell you I did not see it that way"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by TXMike

"Hear it" ???? Where in the world did you ever learn to make a call that way?

Maybe some of you have better quality computers and or connections and you are seeing detail I do not see but I do not see the helmets contact intentionally or unintentionally.

Maybe he learned this from basketball coaches. After all they want us to make calls too based on what we hear.

Peace

[jaybird]

NFHS: Legal block.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

OK. There is a sound of something contacting something. But we don't base our calls on sound, our calls are based upon light that travels must faster than sound.

So, I did not SEE where exactly the player's helmet hit, therefore, no call.

[Reffing Rev.]

The hit looks legal.

At the moment of impact the contact was legal. BUT
Just before contact you can see the blocker lower his head almost into 'ram' mode. And his 'initial charge' would have been illegal helmet contact.

With the possible injuries that can occur, I would have no problem erring on the side of safety and flagging this one for illegal helmet contact at the sub-varsity.

But like I said, it looked technically legal.

[bigjohn]

and you could tell where he got hit by his feet flying out from under him and his head snapping back as he was hit?

The only way to knock him off his feet that way is a sharp hit to the head. The blockers arms were to low for that to be true. Watch the kid fly off his feet and you can tell he was earholed.

The point is it doesn't matter where his helmet hit the defender, just that he lead with his head, no doubt that is what happened.