Over and Back Rule

[mikwilmot]

Lets say a ball handler has the ball and dribbles toward their basket and sees a trap defense of some kind. Can they put two feet in the front court and the ball in the back court and straddle the mid court line? While straddling can they retreat to the back court if the defense runs at them?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mikwilmot

Lets say a ball handler has the ball and dribbles toward their basket and sees a trap defense of some kind. Can they put two feet in the front court and the ball in the back court and straddle the mid court line? While straddling can they retreat to the back court if the defense runs at them?

Are you an official? If so, look at your backcourt rule.

The answer is yes, a player can do this. When a dribbler is moving from BC to FC, he maintains BC status until both feet and the ball have entered (by touching) the FC, consecutively in consecutive any order.

[BktBallRef]

But while he is doing this, you continue with your 10 second count.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The answer is yes, a player can do this. When a dribbler is moving from BC to FC, he maintains BC status until both feet and the ball have entered (by touching) the FC in consecutive order.

That doesn't add anything. As you know, the feet and the ball can go to the frontcourt in any order or all at once.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That doesn't add anything. As you know, the feet and the ball can go to the frontcourt in any order or all at once.

True, but it does add something, otherwise a player who puts two feet over the line, then retreats, then advances just enough to dribble over the line would gain FC status. I didn't say which order, but they all need to have FC status at the same time.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but it does add something, otherwise a player who puts two feet over the line, then retreats, then advances just enough to dribble over the line would gain FC status. I didn't say which order, but they all need to have FC status at the same time.

Snaqs,
I think you were really trying to say simultaneously as opposed to consecutively? Then, I would agree with your example.

[RobbyinTN]

Chicken or the egg?

It really doesn't matter if the ball enters the FC first or the feet first or boht at the same time, you don't have FC status until the feet and the ball are all in the FC at the same time.

Guess I don't understand the debate here

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Snaqs,
I think you were really trying to say simultaneously as opposed to consecutively? Then, I would agree with your example.

I'm not sure how "consecutively" is wrong here. I love a good semantic debate.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not sure how "consecutively" is wrong here. I love a good semantic debate.

"Both feet and the ball, consecutively" means that the feet must enter first, followed by the ball.

That's clearly not true.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"Both feet and the ball, consecutively" means that the feet must enter first, followed by the ball.

That's clearly not true.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but it does add something, otherwise a player who puts two feet over the line, then retreats, then advances just enough to dribble over the line would gain FC status. I didn't say which order, but they all need to have FC status at the same time.

I didn't state the order, but I see how that could be inferred.
I'll go back and add "in any order" to make it correct.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I didn't state the order, but I see how that could be inferred.
I'll go back and add "in any order" to make it correct.

Still wouldn't be correct, since the events need not be ordered. They can be simultaneous.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I didn't state the order, but I see how that could be inferred.
I'll go back and add "in any order" to make it correct.

I believe the word you are looking for in concurrently.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Still wouldn't be correct, since the events need not be ordered. They can be simultaneous.

The day I see a dribbler put the ball and both feet down into the FC simultenously, I'll concede this point.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The day I see a dribbler put the ball and both feet down into the FC simultenously, I'll concede this point.

Why? My point is that it's possible, not that we see it every day. You're not conceding that it's possible? Dribbler jumps over the line, lands on both feet, and continues dribbling?

I'm not sure why you're going to the mat for the sake of the word 'consecutively'. It's not that great a word.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why? My point is that it's possible, not that we see it every day. You're not conceding that it's possible? Dribbler jumps over the line, lands on both feet, and continues dribbling?

I'm not sure why you're going to the mat for the sake of the word 'consecutively'. It's not that great a word.

Shut up.

Now I concede.