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mikwilmot Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:37pm

Over and Back Rule
 
Lets say a ball handler has the ball and dribbles toward their basket and sees a trap defense of some kind. Can they put two feet in the front court and the ball in the back court and straddle the mid court line? While straddling can they retreat to the back court if the defense runs at them?

Adam Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by mikwilmot (Post 724962)
Lets say a ball handler has the ball and dribbles toward their basket and sees a trap defense of some kind. Can they put two feet in the front court and the ball in the back court and straddle the mid court line? While straddling can they retreat to the back court if the defense runs at them?

Are you an official? If so, look at your backcourt rule.

The answer is yes, a player can do this. When a dribbler is moving from BC to FC, he maintains BC status until both feet and the ball have entered (by touching) the FC, consecutively in <strike>consecutive</strike> any order.

BktBallRef Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:51pm

But while he is doing this, you continue with your 10 second count.

mbyron Wed Feb 02, 2011 08:08am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 724964)
The answer is yes, a player can do this. When a dribbler is moving from BC to FC, he maintains BC status until both feet and the ball have entered (by touching) the FC <s>in consecutive order</s>.

That doesn't add anything. As you know, the feet and the ball can go to the frontcourt in any order or all at once.

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 08:32am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 725074)
That doesn't add anything. As you know, the feet and the ball can go to the frontcourt in any order or all at once.

True, but it does add something, otherwise a player who puts two feet over the line, then retreats, then advances just enough to dribble over the line would gain FC status. I didn't say which order, but they all need to have FC status at the same time.

CMHCoachNRef Wed Feb 02, 2011 09:23am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725089)
True, but it does add something, otherwise a player who puts two feet over the line, then retreats, then advances just enough to dribble over the line would gain FC status. I didn't say which order, but they all need to have FC status at the same time.

Snaqs,
I think you were really trying to say simultaneously as opposed to consecutively? Then, I would agree with your example.

RobbyinTN Wed Feb 02, 2011 09:41am

Chicken or the egg?

It really doesn't matter if the ball enters the FC first or the feet first or boht at the same time, you don't have FC status until the feet and the ball are all in the FC at the same time.

Guess I don't understand the debate here

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:51am

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 725099)
Snaqs,
I think you were really trying to say simultaneously as opposed to consecutively? Then, I would agree with your example.

I'm not sure how "consecutively" is wrong here. I love a good semantic debate.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:54am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725133)
I'm not sure how "consecutively" is wrong here. I love a good semantic debate.

"Both feet and the ball, consecutively" means that the feet must enter first, followed by the ball.

That's clearly not true.

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:07am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 725136)
"Both feet and the ball, consecutively" means that the feet must enter first, followed by the ball.

That's clearly not true.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725089)
True, but it does add something, otherwise a player who puts two feet over the line, then retreats, then advances just enough to dribble over the line would gain FC status. I didn't say which order, but they all need to have FC status at the same time.

I didn't state the order, but I see how that could be inferred.
I'll go back and add "in any order" to make it correct.

mbyron Wed Feb 02, 2011 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725143)
I didn't state the order, but I see how that could be inferred.
I'll go back and add "in any order" to make it correct.

Still wouldn't be correct, since the events need not be ordered. They can be simultaneous.

Eastshire Wed Feb 02, 2011 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725143)
I didn't state the order, but I see how that could be inferred.
I'll go back and add "in any order" to make it correct.

I believe the word you are looking for in concurrently.

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 725263)
Still wouldn't be correct, since the events need not be ordered. They can be simultaneous.

The day I see a dribbler put the ball and both feet down into the FC simultenously, I'll concede this point.

mbyron Wed Feb 02, 2011 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725273)
The day I see a dribbler put the ball and both feet down into the FC simultenously, I'll concede this point.

Why? My point is that it's possible, not that we see it every day. You're not conceding that it's possible? Dribbler jumps over the line, lands on both feet, and continues dribbling?

I'm not sure why you're going to the mat for the sake of the word 'consecutively'. It's not that great a word. :rolleyes:

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 04:14pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 725305)
Why? My point is that it's possible, not that we see it every day. You're not conceding that it's possible? Dribbler jumps over the line, lands on both feet, and continues dribbling?

I'm not sure why you're going to the mat for the sake of the word 'consecutively'. It's not that great a word. :rolleyes:

Shut up.

Now I concede.


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