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[jophyal]

He is D I but I don't know if he is doing colege ball. He does plenty of big V gaames here in Texas. Again, I agree about the unsporting advantage. I will get more succinct in my posts. The quick T bothered me the most.

[doubleringer]

When you say D1 around here, we generally assume D1 college. As far as the play, it sucks to work. I can see both sides. I would tend to do what your partner did as this was an 8th grade game. As far as quick on the T, you mention that this guy is a high school official of some merit in your state. I doubt if he was going to take much crap off an 8th grade coach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

when you say d1 around here, we generally assume d1 college. As far as the play, it sucks to work. I can see both sides. I would tend to do what your partner did as this was an 8th grade game. As far as quick on the t, you mention that this guy is a high school official of some merit in your state. I doubt if he was going to take much crap off an 8th grade coach.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

When you say D1 around here, we generally assume D1 college. As far as the play, it sucks to work. I can see both sides. I would tend to do what your partner did as this was an 8th grade game. As far as quick on the T, you mention that this guy is a high school official of some merit in your state. I doubt if he was going to take much crap off an 8th grade coach.

Much? I'm just a garden variety HS official and I'd take just a bit more than none.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

..... you mention that this guy is a high school official of some merit in your state. I doubt if he was going to take much crap off an 8th grade coach.

Not sure what this means. A high school official of some merit who happens to be calling an 8th grade game is, at the moment, an 8th grade official. I don't see why he should take any more or any less crap than any other 8th grade official.

[Eastshire]

I'm with your partner on holding up play until the confusion is sorted out. Just as I'm not going to put the ball in play with either team having only 4 players or 6 players on the court, I'm not putting the ball in play when a team gets turned around during a time-out.

I consider this basic preventative officiating.

Now if I've pointed and called the color a few times and they still don't want to come to play, that's up to them, but I'm going to make sure I've communicated the information to them.

[jophyal]

I am saying that if you interject yourself into the coaching arena, by coming on the court and stopping play, moving Team B players while they are directly in front of their coach, Team A coach should have the right to ask you what you are doing. The coach's exact words were, "What are you doing? The ball is ready for play...?" And again, I was clearly pointing and the Team B coach was loking right at me.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jophyal

I am saying that if you interject yourself into the coaching arena, by coming on the court and stopping play, moving Team B players while they are directly in front of their coach, Team A coach should have the right to ask you what you are doing. The coach's exact words were, "What are you doing? The ball is ready for play...?" And again, I was clearly pointing and the Team B coach was loking right at me.

Holding the ball from play until the teams are ready after a time-out is not interjecting yourself into the coaching arena. It's actually part of our job. From your description, your partner did not stop play; he prevented play from being started. This is an important distinction. Finally, I don't have an issue with the coach asking what I'm doing provided he's civil in doing so. The answer he is also easy "No, coach the ball is not ready for play."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jophyal

"What are you doing? The ball is ready for play...?"

It's not "ready for play" until ALL officials are ready.

You can't put it in play until I bring my hand down. If you try to, I'll blow my whistle and make you wait until I'm ready.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jophyal

The coach's exact words were, "What are you doing? The ball is ready for play...?" And again, I was clearly pointing and the Team B coach was loking right at me.

Um, I hate to tell you but the ball wasn't ready for play. it wasn't ready for play because your partner wasn't ready to have the ball put into play. And an administering official does not put the ball into play because a coach ....any coach...tells him to if his partner isn't ready.

This may have been a competititive or even (gasp) an elite 8th grade game.....but.....it's a freaking 8th grade game. Save the philosophical discussions for after the game and have them with your partner. That's the time to work them out, not during an 8th grade game. And if you can't agree and it's still bothering you, get further direction from your association.

JMGO.

[Welpe]

Just for clarification, when he says "Division I", he is more than likely referring to how we rank officials here in Texas. In basketball, there are 5 divisions of officials, with Division 5 being the new officials and Division 1 being the most experienced.

And, FWIW, I'm with the senior official on this.

[jophyal]

wow rich msn... i never said it was terrible. however, i was trying to offer a post for commentary. i will try to refrain from pi$$ing you regulars off. i was looking for some experienced wisdom. i DID and always talk to my partner. i do this pre game and post game. my partner is the one that thought he kicked the handling. I will try to be as exact with posts/replies. i am only trying to learn.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jophyal

I am saying that if you interject yourself into the coaching arena, by coming on the court and stopping play, moving Team B players while they are directly in front of their coach, Team A coach should have the right to ask you what you are doing. The coach's exact words were, "What are you doing? The ball is ready for play...?" And again, I was clearly pointing and the Team B coach was loking right at me.

I'm sorry, but you said he was yelling. As I said, if he's yelling at me, the only words that won't draw a T are "time out." Even then, it better be a loud gym.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not sure what this means. A high school official of some merit who happens to be calling an 8th grade game is, at the moment, an 8th grade official. I don't see why he should take any more or any less crap than any other 8th grade official.

Because he has more experience and is more likely to call a technical foul when bad behavior happens than a guy with less experience. Look at the post by the OP for example -- he thinks it's terrible that the experienced partner (who sounds like he works some decent HS varsity games) called a T "in that situation." I think that the OP would be better served here saying, "You know, he has a lot more experience than I do. Perhaps I could learn from him."

My line doesn't adjust when I work a youth game. It may be different than the line drawn by all the other officials this guy will see, but I fail to see how this is my problem. For the most part, the rare time I fill in at this level I get along great with the coaches. I listen, answer questions, and leave no doubt where that line is.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not sure what this means. A high school official of some merit who happens to be calling an 8th grade game is, at the moment, an 8th grade official. I don't see why he should take any more or any less crap than any other 8th grade official.

As a general rule, HS V officials have a better definition of "their line" than do 8th grade officials, and the line is also more toward the side of taking less.