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Pick Your Poison ...
Three choices: Double personal fouls, maybe intentional, maybe flagrant?
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Pushing The Envelope ???
That's one hell of a delayed call. Unless your talking about the seconds immediately before the contact, in which case I would have liked to have heard what was said before I T'd them up. I like the intentionals, or if I was in a bad mood in that part of the game, the flagrants.
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But after looking at the rules book it looks like I grossly misunderstood 4.19.3 in thinking that it allowed for live ball technicals in this situation. Which after reading 4.19.4 and 5 it CLEARLY does not. Quote:
Still though, it seems to me that is a bit of a hole in the rules for a situation where you have two opposing players engaging in "contact away from the ball." By rule this would be double intentionals but again, what does that do? That also leads to a kinda wild situation I had tonite in a scholastic game. I'll have to share details in a thread tomorrow. |
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My Line
Two examples come to mind this year where mine was crossed:
I called two offensive (PC) fouls on the same player in the first quarter of a JV B game last week. The lad will be a good player, but he has a terrible habit of pushing off the defender to create space as he brings the ball up. The more defensive pressure, the harder he pushes. After the second PC foul the coach stands up and pulls chestnuts 1,2,3 out of the coaching protest manual. ("How can you call that", "you have it in for the kid", and "other officials didn't call that a foul during the season") I might have let him rant if he hadn't started yelling from the bench, but finished somewhere around the center circle. As I started to call his well earned technical he yells "I suppose you're going to give me a technical now". Ah, yes coach I think you've earned it. (my partner called the same foul, same player a third time at the start of the second half) This past weekend (B-5G) an AC, as a time out was granted to his team after the HC requested one, started using my personal favorite "you have to call them both ways ref" loudly enough for the entire gym to hear. After I glanced over at the bench, which usually stops the talking, he yells "that's just Bulls#t". Whistle, T administered. The HC was pretty pleased, losing the coachnig box because his AC couldn't keep his mouth shut. Last edited by ref3808; Tue Feb 01, 2011 at 07:27am. |
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Whack! |
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The evaluator at my game the other day won a bet with a fan. I T'd a player. The only thing the fans saw was a player slap the floor with both hands. The fan was yelling that she was just upset with herself. The evaluator, who was in cognito, told the fan that he suspects there was more too it. Obviously he asks me what happened and I said I was going to let the floor slap go b/c you can't tell if she was upset with herself, the call or the fact that CocaCola hasn't gone with a "throwback" cola like Pepsi! BUT when she said "That was F**** Bull S****" I go with a "T". Maybe I should have asked for part of the winnings?
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nope. You're not. live ball contact must be a personal- common or shooting, intentional or flagrant. |
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yes sir every day of the week and twice on sunday. Got caught up, wont happen again, well i hope anyways.
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