Verbal Abuse - how much is too much?

[dsqrddgd909]

Everyone has a different level. I try to ignore the usual carping unless it's one of the three P's (personal, public, profane.) Then it's either a warning or a T.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Everyone has a different level. I try to ignore the usual carping unless it's one of the three P's (personal, public, profane.) Then it's either a warning or a T.

You've got one of the Ps wrong. Instead of "public," it's "persistent." You really warn/penalize any "public" comment?

[BballRookie]

Ok, you guys will be shaking your heads, but to answer the question on the call that was screwed up here is what happened: I'm Trail, and end of the game team A is down by 10 points but has been fighting back all half. They still think they can win this game. Team A's point guard is all over team B's point guard. Team B's point guard tries to create space but the amount of space created wasn't much. Here is where it got bad: on that play I wasn't counting 5 seconds.. so when the ball went out of bounds, team A screamed for a 5 second call that should have been made, which was probably warranted. I confered with my partner at the baseline and explained the situation. He said let's call the 5 second and of course team B went crazy (thus the ref became unglued, said things he would have t'd someone up for). Team B said it wasn't a reviewable call, which could be true as well, but we had discussed it, made that call, and had to stick to our guns.

Both teams are full of former players, so even the best calls all night were challenged. This was a slightly more competitive mens league with former college players, coaches and refs on the court going at each other.

Another rookie question: How can I get a copy of the High School bball rules? I live in Idaho and can't find it online.

I just moved here from CA and would like to join the association if my job permits. So for now I ref city league and kids.

Thanks for the imput guys, I appreciate it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BballRookie

Ok, you guys will be shaking your heads, but to answer the question on the call that was screwed up here is what happened: I'm Trail, and end of the game team A is down by 10 points but has been fighting back all half. They still think they can win this game. Team A's point guard is all over team B's point guard. Team B's point guard tries to create space but the amount of space created wasn't much. Here is where it got bad: on that play I wasn't counting 5 seconds.. so when the ball went out of bounds, team A screamed for a 5 second call that should have been made, which was probably warranted. I confered with my partner at the baseline and explained the situation. He said let's call the 5 second and of course team B went crazy (thus the ref became unglued, said things he would have t'd someone up for). Team B said it wasn't a reviewable call, which could be true as well, but we had discussed it, made that call, and had to stick to our guns.

Both teams are full of former players, so even the best calls all night were challenged. This was a slightly more competitive mens league with former college players, coaches and refs on the court going at each other.

Another rookie question: How can I get a copy of the High School bball rules? I live in Idaho and can't find it online.

I just moved here from CA and would like to join the association if my job permits. So for now I ref city league and kids.

Thanks for the imput guys, I appreciate it.

1) It's not really a changeable call.

2) You can order from NFHS, or join and review it on-line.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You've got one of the Ps wrong. Instead of "public," it's "persistent." You really warn/penalize any "public" comment?

Snaq, yes I agree. Persistent instead of Public. Must have had a cerebral low temp event.

[stir22]

great, great thread- invaluable to us newer guys. i'm in my third year, and have come to know where my "line" is. my first year i was too scared to call a T, and vividly remember a couple of situations where the coach was so out of line that anybody would have called a t. in retrospect, i wish i would have t'd them up, and, i also wish that after the game my partners had given me some insight...in addition to what i asked them.

i will referee anytime for any level, because i want to improve, but i won't do city league games. i did a few, and found that they were so crazy it was actually making me regress as an official. i would much rather do 5th graders. actually, i think the 5th graders are more mature than the ex-jocks who are playing to re-attain their glory days.

[JFlores]

This is my fourth year and at times I wonder where my line is.

For example this past Friday I had a JV/So DH, coach for both squads are the same. So JV game goes smooth, no issues with said coach. However SO game, a couple minutes into the game I call a hand check and coach goes off for a bit giving me "You going to call that ticky tat foul, make sure you call it both ways", I say ok coach i hear ya, give him the nod and keep it moving.

Now I have a play where a young man goes for the loose ball, he slips and takes the opposing players feet out with his own feet, I saw nothing and didnt call a foul. The coach runs up crosses half court line to argue for a foul, I just gave him the stop sign and he walked away. In hindsight I shouldve T him up, he was quiet the rest of the game. Caught me by surprise but usually running up to me warrants a T.

I got him on Tuesday.