Dealing with lower level coaches?

[stir22]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

My $0.02:

There are several major factors in play... in no particular order:

Officials inexperience in dealing with coaches, inexperienced officials (myself included) probably don't have the coach-handling skills of the seasoned vets.

Coaches inexperience and lack of detailed rules knowledge.

Additionally, at least around here, there's usually only one coach for these lower-level games, and I think officials are probably reluctant to toss a coach if there's no AC available to take over the game. (I know I've felt this way once or twice... I don't want to punish the kids for the sins of their coach. And yes, I know this shouldn't really be a factor in my decision-making process). On the other hand, this may also be a contributing factor in varsity coaches being more subdued... they know they can get tossed more easily because they have ACs there to take over.

what would happen if there was only one coach, he gets tossed, and no one available to take over? is the game forfeited?

/thanks

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stir22

what would happen if there was only one coach, he gets tossed, and no one available to take over? is the game forfeited?

/thanks

Depends on the state. Some require a "trained school official". Some require a "school representative". Some allow a parent. Some don't allow anything (and might forfeit or suspend the game). Some allow the game to go on with no adult.

(okay -- I don't know that any allow any of the above -- they are just some possibilitiess).

So, check with your state.

[APG]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Just for curiosity's sake, when I deal with college coaches I do tend to give them a little more rope as far as complaining. I somewhere picked up the philosophy that these guys are coaching as a job, to put food on their table, not an extra paycheck they are picking up like high school coaches. To me, the college and especially pro game is more about competition. High school athletics is an extension of the classroom where they learn skills to deal with situations that come up in life as an adult.

Any thoughts on this philosophy?

Oh, and my thoughts on technicals in the pro game... they found they were losing fans because of the unsporting attitudes of their players so they fixed it. That, to me, is the only reason they made the change. It's all about $ in the pros.

I too have heard that philosophy. I don''t necessarily disagree with that. I agree with JRut in saying that the coaches at that level are more than likely more intelligent with issues they bring up with officials. Still, I see some of the antics coaches pull in some of these D-I games and have to wonder why T's aren't being handed out. I don't see this at the pro game where the pressure to win is just as, if not greater than the college game. That does bring me to a question...do coaches at that level have scratch powers like they do at the high school level? I'm assuming so, and this could play a role for a newish official in deciding whether to pull the trigger or not.

As far as the NBA issuing more technicals, their tweaks for their Respect of the Game philosophies more readily applies to players rather than coaches. The only clamp down I read/seen for coaches was the one with assistant coaches (more going the route that we do at high school...seen not heard). You're right in saying that the NBA has to take money into consideration...just as any professional sporting league has to.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by GFS-1

Why is it the lower level Coaches Freshman & JV scream and yell at the officials for calls or no calls.

R-E-S-P-E-C-T...or lack thereof. (now I have that song in my head)

1) The lower level coach got away with it last week, why not try it again?

2) The lower level coach might have a "lower level" official...and the coach might actually be correct on a call or rules situation that when against him/her.

3) As mentioned before, the lower level coach hasn't figured it out yet... how to actually communicate with the officials in a mature manner.

I have a double header tonight...Frosh game in the upper gym, then the Varsity game in the Main gym later.
We don't do a lot of double headers...but, it's always fun to watch the lower level coaches at the start of the game.

Not to brag...but, they figure it out pretty quick as to how they will be acting that night.