I violated rule #1.....not THAT rule #1

[tref]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I love the game of basketball. I loved playing it, I love watching it at every level, I love officiating it and I love coaching it. The game has given me a lot, a college scholarship, a pay check, see the world, meet my wife, learn about myself and positively affect those around me. I do not fit that neatly into a label. There are not very many officials who also coach. There are not many coaches who coach with their spouse. Not sure what "label" that fits me with, but Crazy and Certifiable are two that come to mind! Or to get "touchy feely" I am just me!

Great points! I would just like to add, when you're in the AC role play THAT role & nothing more as we all know the coach that "refs too." When you're in the referee role play THAT role & nothing more as we should not coach players.

Had a game earlier in the season with an official that used to coach & was also an AD. We had a tough game from a consistency stand point as he refereed through a coaches/AD view of the game

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tref

Great points! I would just like to add, when you're in the AC role play THAT role & nothing more as we all know the coach that "refs too." When you're in the referee role play THAT role & nothing more as we should not coach players.

Had a game earlier in the season with an official that used to coach & was also an AD. We had a tough game from a consistency stand point as he refereed through a coaches/AD view of the game

Agree 100% it is a VERY difficult thing to do. 99 times out of 100 I just do my Jerry Tarkanian imitation and gnaw on a towel (even shared a few of those instances on the board) Screwed the pooch on this one.
You also bring up a GREAT point that I discussed with fellow referee's a few years ago. I don't know how long you have officiated, but for younger/newer officials it can be a bit intimidating to some to work a game where the AD and/or coach has officiating background. (which sounds like what you were experiencing) They may start second guessing what THEY are doing, and start to think about what the AD/Coach thinks. That is a recipe for failure. It would be akin to when I first started calling and my supervisor would be in the stands watching. Was I making/not making calls for the GAME or for THEM. After awhile, you don't even notice/care if they are there are not. A great take away from this experience for ME is to have that in the back of my mind for 30 year vets not just "newbies".

[tref]

I respect that Judtech!!

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by tref

I respect that Jedtech!!

How can you RESPECT this guy!

Jedtech...you have got to be joking.

There is no way anyone with a half a brain would post the bullsh**t you did and the way you acted.

Oh wait, you must have a half a brain to act that way when YOU ARE, SUPPOSEDLY, AN OFFICIAL!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I quit reading your posts after the first few...and yes I am piling on.

I would do everything in my power, if you were in my association, to have you suspended.

There...I feel better now.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How can you RESPECT this guy!

I respect his following statement. He acknowledges his mistake & aims to do better in the future. What more can he or any of us (who makes mistakes in life) do?

Originally Posted by Judtech

Agree 100% it is a VERY difficult thing to do. 99 times out of 100 I just do my Jerry Tarkanian imitation and gnaw on a towel (even shared a few of those instances on the board) Screwed the pooch on this one. You also bring up a GREAT point that I discussed with fellow referee's a few years ago. I don't know how long you have officiated, but for younger/newer officials it can be a bit intimidating to some to work a game where the AD and/or coach has officiating background. (which sounds like what you were experiencing) They may start second guessing what THEY are doing, and start to think about what the AD/Coach thinks. That is a recipe for failure. It would be akin to when I first started calling and my supervisor would be in the stands watching. Was I making/not making calls for the GAME or for THEM. After awhile, you don't even notice/care if they are there are not. A great take away from this experience for ME is to have that in the back of my mind for 30 year vets not just "newbies".

[Jesse James]

Judtech,

In your coaching position, I wouldn't support your questioning of judgement calls, or your methods in general. But I will agree that when a crew at the varsity level either sets aside a rule, or doesn't know a rule, that someone from the coaching staff ought to be able to make that known to them--and if it has to be an example, so-be-it.

In a state without assignors, how else are you going to make that point?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

But I will agree that when a crew at the varsity level either sets aside a rule, or doesn't know a rule, that someone from the coaching staff ought to be able to make that known to them--and if it has to be an example, so-be-it.

Absolutely! Just as long as that someone is THE HEAD COACH

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Absolutely! Just as long as that someone is THE HEAD COACH

I agree, but if the officials start addressing the AC, there's nothing wrong with him responding. Whether the AC can make these points is really up to the officials on the game, not the officials on the board.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

In a state without assignors, how else are you going to make that point?

By following whatever protocol that state has set up to deal with complaints about officials? All states have them afaik.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

By following whatever protocol that state has set up to deal with complaints about officials? All states have them afaik.

Well, in at least one, he's money ahead to do what he did.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

In a state without assignors, how else are you going to make that point?

Isn't it easier in states without assigners? To make your point, have the AD scratch the official and never hire him, her or them again.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Isn't it easier in states without assigners? To make your point, have the AD scratch the official and never hire him, her or them again.

That's fine at home. There's always the road, and while it's not a coach's problem, the other hundreds of schools in the state where the crew may screw up the rule otherwise.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How can you RESPECT this guy!

Would anyone respect any coach that came here and made a post like the OP, gloating about how they intimidated and showed up some obviously weak officials while gaining an unfair advantage like icing the shooter at the same time? Judtech was not posting as an official. He was posting as a coach, and as an assistant coach to boot. That he was also an official only compounds the problem imo. Officials should know better.

JMO

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Would anyone respect any coach that came here and made a post like the OP, gloating about how they intimidated and showed up some obviously weak officials while gaining an unfair advantage like icing the shooter at the same time?
JMO

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

Maybe she got a scholarship as well. Wonder if that exam I posted a couple days ago is the same one used back in the day?