Klutzy on the End Line

[jdw3018]

I'm not sure this is entirely clear in the rules book. My first glance at this would be that it depends on whether he muffed or fumbled - if he muffed it and never had control, I probably don't have a violation. If he had possession out of bounds, he was then under throw-in rules and would have violated by fumbling, the ball entering the court, and m being the first to pick it up. You probably have a violation before that for failing to throw the ball directly onto the court.

IMO, this, in the end, is judgement on whether he truly possessed the ball and was legally out of bounds before everything else happened.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

i'm not sure this is entirely clear in the rules book. My first glance at this would be that it depends on whether he muffed or fumbled - if he muffed it and never had control, i probably don't have a violation. If he had possession out of bounds, he was then under throw-in rules and would have violated by fumbling, the ball entering the court, and m being the first to pick it up. You probably have a violation before that for failing to throw the ball directly onto the court.

Imo, this, in the end, is judgement on whether he truly possessed the ball and was legally out of bounds before everything else happened.

+1

[Mark Padgett]

Actually, in the original post, it sounds like you may have had a five second violation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Actually, in the original post, it sounds like you may have had a five second violation.

Mark:

I agree with you. If the official judges that the ball is at the disposal of the team for a throw-in, then a five second count should start and if the thrower is a klutz that is his problem not the official's problem; assuming that the level of play is H.S. or higher. I might be more lenient for JrHS or lowering, but it would be a HTBT sort of play.

MTD, Sr.

[stir22]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark:

I agree with you. If the official judges that the ball is at the disposal of the team for a throw-in, then a five second count should start and if the thrower is a klutz that is his problem not the official's problem; assuming that the level of play is H.S. or higher. I might be more lenient for JrHS or lowering, but it would be a HTBT sort of play.

MTD, Sr.

hi, new to the forum, still getting the lingo down...what does HTBT mean?

thanks!

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by stir22

hi, new to the forum, still getting the lingo down...what does HTBT mean?

thanks!

Had to be there

[stir22]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

Had to be there

thanks!!!! though i feel kind of stupid...right after i posted i googled it and found it.

[letemplay]

Did someone say a violation would occur if the thrower dribbles while he's standing oob before throwing it in? Would it make any difference if it's spot throw or after made basket?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark:

I agree with you. If the official judges that the ball is at the disposal of the team for a throw-in, then a five second count should start and if the thrower is a klutz that is his problem not the official's problem; assuming that the level of play is H.S. or higher. I might be more lenient for JrHS or lowering, but it would be a HTBT sort of play.

MTD, Sr.

If the player is trying to grab the ball, but can't get it for whatever reason, I'm not starting a count. The only time I start a count when the player doesn't have it in his hands is when he's not trying.
No way I'd have a 5 second count even started on this one.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the player is trying to grab the ball, but can't get it for whatever reason, I'm not starting a count. The only time I start a count when the player doesn't have it in his hands is when he's not trying.
No way I'd have a 5 second count even started on this one.

+1

And I definitely would have brought it back in the OP and started over if I had not started me count yet, which it sounds like the official in the OP had not.