Klutzy on the End Line
Last night, JV Boys. After a made basket A tries to pick up the ball while crossing the end line to throw it in. He got completely out of bounds, but fumbled the ball, half slapped at it, booted it off the back wall (smaller gym) and then it rolled six feet out onto the court. He takes three steps onto the court and picks it up.
I whistled him for a throw in violation. Coach (who is, BTW, up by 25): He never had possession of the ball out of bounds. I gave him a "no" head shake and kept on going. I tried to look it up, but couldn't find a case play or anything. I think that if his team mate had grabbed it, we play on. If it's 5th graders, I probably give it back to him for a do-over, but not JV. It didn't matter in this case, but I want to make sure it's right next time. |
I think I would have stopped play to let him recover the ball. The ball was never at his disposal if he was fumbling for it, and he was not deliberately running clock.
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I'm not sure this is entirely clear in the rules book. My first glance at this would be that it depends on whether he muffed or fumbled - if he muffed it and never had control, I probably don't have a violation. If he had possession out of bounds, he was then under throw-in rules and would have violated by fumbling, the ball entering the court, and m being the first to pick it up. You probably have a violation before that for failing to throw the ball directly onto the court.
IMO, this, in the end, is judgement on whether he truly possessed the ball and was legally out of bounds before everything else happened. |
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You said he was trying to grab it. Did he ever have complete control?
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He grabbed "at" it and slapped it. Almost a dribble, but not quite. Then it hit the back wall and took a couple bounces up the lane.
Just plain ugly. I should probably re-read my own flipping signature line. :) |
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Actually, in the original post, it sounds like you may have had a five second violation.
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Mark: I agree with you. If the official judges that the ball is at the disposal of the team for a throw-in, then a five second count should start and if the thrower is a klutz that is his problem not the official's problem; assuming that the level of play is H.S. or higher. I might be more lenient for JrHS or lowering, but it would be a HTBT sort of play. MTD, Sr. |
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