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[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

The long pass hits B3 (as in OP) but then also is tipped by A5 and goes in after horn?

Judgment call. Was A5's tip an attempt to score?

[letemplay]

Yes, that was how A drew the play up. Their only chance is a long pass from A1 to A5 for a tip. Wrench in plan is B3 gets a hand on it first, followed by A5's tap. Could we have two touches in .02?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Yes, that was how A drew the play up. Their only chance is a long pass from A1 to A5 for a tip. Wrench in plan is B3 gets a hand on it first, followed by A5's tap. Could we have two touches in .02?

Guess you didn't read it the first time.

The rule states with .3 or less, a player (meaning one player) can tap the ball and acore. It does not say two players can tap the ball and still score.

[letemplay]

So if the defense happened to get his hand on it first, even a glancing touch, then A5 tips it in, we got no basket, ruling a double touch?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by letemplay

So if the defense happened to get his hand on it first, even a glancing touch, then A5 tips it in, we got no basket, ruling a double touch?

It doesn't matter whether the tap was glancing or not - by rule, with under .3 seconds to play, there is only time for one player to tap the ball.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It also doesn't say two players can't tap the ball and score.

If the taps are sufficiently close together such that the time from the first touch to the final touch is less than 0.3, the shot counts. If the final touch is by the defense, only the first tap must beat the 0.3 time.

The only thing this rule is intended to preclude is a catch and shoot.

5-2-5
When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and three-tenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.

A tap = one tap.

If two players tip it, that's it. I'm not going to score such a basket and all I need is that statement to back my call.

[Adam]

4-41-5: A tap for goal is....an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket.

The defensive touch is not a tap, so there's still only one tap.
Besides, I really don't think the intent here is anything other than to prevent the catch and shoot. I don't think you can make the word "a" mean anything other than a grammatical filler.

[Adam]

Hmmm, I wasn't thinking in terms of last second (not sure why, so don't ask.) 5-2-5 says nothing about multiple touches, it only says a player can't gain control. I'm not sure you can discount the basket if the last touch happens before the horn sounds.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Guess you didn't read it the first time.

The rule states with .3 or less, a player (meaning one player) can tap the ball and acore. It does not say two players can tap the ball and still score.

Actually, Tony, I read it the first time...before you edited it...and I thought you were arguing TO ALLOW the basket. You stated, correctly, that "it does not say two players CANNOT tap the ball and still score."

You are also, correctly, now stating that "it does not say two players CAN tap the ball and still score."

...I with Snaq's...HMMMMM...

Having said that...I'm probably NOT allowing the basket because I had some kind of count on.

[Adam]

All the rule says is that a player cannot gain control, and that only a tap can score. If the two taps are close enough together, I see no reason to disallow the basket.

I also would have a count, and if I get to "one thousand" in my mind between taps, no basket.

[RookieDude]

I guess you can say per 5-2-5:

"In this situation only A tap could score."

A meaning singular as opposed to plural?

Edit: Of course the first touch may not have been a tap?

[Adam]

You could say that, but even without your edit, I think it's a stretch to think the rules committee was that precise on purpose here.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Having said that...I'm probably NOT allowing the basket because I had some kind of count on.

How the he11 do you count 0.2 seconds?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Smitty

How the he11 do you count 0.2 seconds?

I'm not even going to respond to that......you figure it out.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I'm not even going to respond to that......you figure it out.

Your rolled eyes notwithstanding, I'm just curious how you'll be justifying it to the coach when he asks why you disallowed the basket that went in before the horn sounded. You gonna say you counted 0.2 seconds in your head?