.3 Foul Question

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

New twist. What if we add this to 5.2.5 SITUATION C: The ball doesn't go through A's basket, but instead B4 commits basket interference?

I would say that the ball was dead at the common foul, so, no BI.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

New twist. What if we add this to 5.2.5 SITUATION C: The ball doesn't go through A's basket, but instead B4 commits basket interference?

I'm not going to say this is impossible, but it's so highly improbable that we can safely ignore it. The ball becomes dead at the horn, since the throw toward the basket is not a try. Since there's only 0.3 on the clock, whatever B4 does is almost certainly done after the ball is dead.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I would say that the ball was dead at the common foul, so, no BI.

I read BM's case as suggesting a violation instead of a foul.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I read BM's case as suggesting a violation instead of a foul.

Oh, my bad, then my answer is found in post #17.

[Adam]

I would say it becomes dead as soon as the try is released, or the horn blows, whichever happens first.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Oh, my bad, then my answer is found in post #17.

So, now you're accusing me of plagiarism?!?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. Nothing says A1 can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.

Agree IF the shooting motion is a tap. The player can be fouled in the act of tapping and be awarded 2 shots.

All doubters see NFHS rules 4-41-1,5&6 and case book play 5.2.5SitB

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree IF the shooting motion is a tap. The player can be fouled in the act of tapping and be awarded 2 shots.

All doubters see NFHS rules 4-41-1,5&6 and case book play 5.2.5SitB

Question referred specifically to a player catching the ball. Tap was not an option.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question referred specifically to a player catching the ball. Tap was not an option.

Someone might judge that the player was trying to tap the ball when fouled but grabbed it as a result of getting fouled. Hmmm.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone might judge that the player was trying to tap the ball when fouled but grabbed it as a result of getting fouled. Hmmm.

or as a result of imminent contact?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

or as a result of imminent contact?

That doesn't matter because the "act of tapping" doesn't start until the ball is touched.

IMO, with .3 left, if the player is trying to tap, s/he will tap and not catch the ball no matter what the contact.

If it's a catch, then it's a common foul and not a shooting foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If it hadn't been for the case play, which states "A5 cannot score a goal and is not considered in the act of shooting," I would maintain my opinion. Nothing in the rule itself says he can't be in the act of shooting, only that he can't score. "May not ...try for a goal" is up to interpretation. However, the case play makes it pretty clear.

So, apparently, it can get a lot clearer than 5-2-5. In fact, it does in 5.2.5C.

Snaq, the rule says, "...a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. "

He can't try for goal equals he can't shoot.

If he can't shoot, he can't be in the act of shooting.

Seems pretty clear to me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question referred specifically to a player catching the ball. Tap was not an option.

That's got nuthin' to do with Snaq's statement. Snaq said "Nothing says A can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.". That statement is true IF the shooting motion is a tap. It isn't true if the shooting motion is a try.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Spence

.3 seconds left. A1 catches the lob throw-in and is immediately fouled.

Do I ignore the foul unless I determine it to be flagrant or intentional? Is the ball dead as soon as it's deemed that A1 caught the ball instead of tapping it?

This is the original post. We observe but do not pretend we are Kreskin. Any answers to the OP must address that the ball was CAUGHT. Arguments about tapping, etc. are not germane to the original post. A thread that had A1 tapping instead of catching is an entirely different topic.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the foul happens after he releases a shot (assuming he caught it first), it's a dead ball contact situation (ignore or go with a T or flagrant).
The rule says they can't catch or shoot, it doesn't say they can't catch and be fouled trying to shoot.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's got nuthin' to do with Snaq's statement. Snaq said "Nothing says A can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.". That statement is true IF the shooting motion is a tap. It isn't true if the shooting motion is a try.

Actually it has everything to do with it. The fact that the ball had been caught was a given. The question was what could or could not happen next.