.3 Foul Question

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Spence

.3 seconds left. A1 catches the lob throw-in and is immediately fouled.

If Team A is in the bonus, A1 shoots a one and one. If Team A is in the double bonus, A1 shoots two free throws.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If Team A is in the bonus, A1 shoots a one and one. If Team A is in the double bonus, A1 shoots two free throws.

Disagree. Nothing says A1 can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. Nothing says A1 can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.

Not the way I am reading 5.2.5 C

[bob jenkins]

NCAA is different. Ignore the contact unless I or F.

AR 132

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. Nothing says A1 can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.

If he catches it, he cannot shoot it and have the goal count. So, if he is fouled, he cannot be considered to be fouled in the act of shooting. And the OP said 'catch'.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. Nothing says A1 can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.

I don't know how much clearer you can get than 5-2-5...

When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and threetenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by asdf

I don't know how much clearer you can get than 5-2-5...

When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and threetenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.

Piling on?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree. Nothing says A1 can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.

Agree IF the shooting motion is a tap. The player can be fouled in the act of tapping and be awarded 2 shots.

All doubters see NFHS rules 4-41-1,5&6 and case book play 5.2.5SitB

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree IF the shooting motion is a tap. The player can be fouled in the act of tapping and be awarded 2 shots.

All doubters see NFHS rules 4-41-1,5&6 and case book play 5.2.5SitB

Question referred specifically to a player catching the ball. Tap was not an option.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question referred specifically to a player catching the ball. Tap was not an option.

Someone might judge that the player was trying to tap the ball when fouled but grabbed it as a result of getting fouled. Hmmm.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone might judge that the player was trying to tap the ball when fouled but grabbed it as a result of getting fouled. Hmmm.

or as a result of imminent contact?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

or as a result of imminent contact?

That doesn't matter because the "act of tapping" doesn't start until the ball is touched.

IMO, with .3 left, if the player is trying to tap, s/he will tap and not catch the ball no matter what the contact.

If it's a catch, then it's a common foul and not a shooting foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question referred specifically to a player catching the ball. Tap was not an option.

That's got nuthin' to do with Snaq's statement. Snaq said "Nothing says A can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.". That statement is true IF the shooting motion is a tap. It isn't true if the shooting motion is a try.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the foul happens after he releases a shot (assuming he caught it first), it's a dead ball contact situation (ignore or go with a T or flagrant).
The rule says they can't catch or shoot, it doesn't say they can't catch and be fouled trying to shoot.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's got nuthin' to do with Snaq's statement. Snaq said "Nothing says A can't start the shooting motion in that amount of time.". That statement is true IF the shooting motion is a tap. It isn't true if the shooting motion is a try.

Actually it has everything to do with it. The fact that the ball had been caught was a given. The question was what could or could not happen next.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Actually it has everything to do with it. The fact that the ball had been caught was a given. The question was what could or could not happen next.

Yep, and I was wrong, according to the case play.