Question and Advice

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What are you going to do if you have a violation and foul called at the same time? Are you going to call both?

Peace

I thought your question was rhetorical. There is a specific case play which says decide which happened first and go with that call.

Which reminds me:

Many years ago, when I first started, I had very limited rules knowledge, very little in the way of mechanics, and no training. Boys jr. high: A1 caught the ball down low and gave a head fake. 2 players bit on the fake and came flying at him. He recoiled to avoid the first and obviously traveled.
He then started up and was clobbered by the 2nd defender. My partner blew his whistle, I assumed to call the travel. I signaled nothing. He then stepped up to the table and started to report the foul. I stepped in. "No, no, before the shot," and made the travel signal. He nodded and walked away. If that happened now, I would keep my opinion to myself. I see this as a case of right mechanics, wrong call. Apparently some classify the double foul in this example this way, but I don't see anything right about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I thought your question was rhetorical. There is a specific case play which says decide which happened first and go with that call.

Which reminds me:

Many years ago, when I first started, I had very limited rules knowledge, very little in the way of mechanics, and no training. Boys jr. high: A1 caught the ball down low and gave a head fake. 2 players bit on the fake and came flying at him. He recoiled to avoid the first and obviously traveled.
He then started up and was clobbered by the 2nd defender. My partner blew his whistle, I assumed to call the travel. I signaled nothing. He then stepped up to the table and started to report the foul. I stepped in. "No, no, before the shot," and made the travel signal. He nodded and walked away. If that happened now, I would keep my opinion to myself. I see this as a case of right mechanics, wrong call. Apparently some classify the double foul in this example this way, but I don't see anything right about it.

If that happen to me where I had a call, before a foul I would make that known immediately. The violation happened first, why would you not let everyone know that? And if I was the official that was calling the foul, I would want the right call to be made. This has nothing to do with what we are discussing when it comes to a "blarge" situation where there are signals. You have questioned this before, not sure why this is hard to understand when the committees for the NF and the NCAA Men’s have said this is how to handle the situation.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If that happen to me where I had a call, before a foul I would make that known immediately. The violation happened first, why would you not let everyone know that? And if I was the official that was calling the foul, I would want the right call to be made.

Sounds perfect if both of you had sounded your whistles, especially if you came up with an open hand, and your partner came up with a fist. I believe that just another ref was saying that he didn't even sound his whistle in the example he gave, and although he didn't state it, the play may have even been outside of his primary coverage area.

Are you going to give your partner information on a call outside of your primary coverage area, when you don't even sound your whistle? We occasionally do this, that is, offer information, on tipped out of bounds calls, so I'm not sure that this would be appropriate, or not, on this specific play?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds perfect if both of you had sounded your whistles, especially if you came up with an open hand, and your partner came up with a fist. I believe that just another ref was saying that he didn't even sound his whistle in the example he gave, and although he didn't state it, the play may have even been outside of his primary coverage area.

Are you going to give your partner information on a call outside of your primary coverage area, when you don't even sound your whistle? We occasionally do this, that is, offer information, on tipped out of bounds calls, so I'm not sure that this would be appropriate, or not, on this specific play?

Depends on the situation. I have given information before and will again. It does not mean that it is required or that it always happens.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Many years ago, when I first started, I had very limited rules knowledge, very little in the way of mechanics, and no training.

And this changed? When?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And this changed? When?

Who said it changed?

I do own a current rule book now. I had never seen a rule book my first few years, and the first one I had was 5 years old or more.

I hope to attend a camp of yours someday. First thing taught is how to post images?