Question and Advice

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not need to quote the rule on this because that is the expectation of the Referee in my area and the conferences I work.

And besides that, there is no such rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And besides that, there is no such rule.

Everything we do is not governed by a rule in the rulebook. Which is why some people use the Mechanics book and many others do not.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Everything we do is not governed by a rule in the rulebook. Which is why some people use the Mechanics book and many others do not.

Peace

So your mechanics book says "referee gets to break the tie" ??

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So your mechanics book says "referee gets to break the tie" ??

We do not use a mechanics book. And this is not about what is in a book. This is about a procedure or expectation. I know I follow procedures in the pre-game that are never in the book. If you and another official have a conflict it is expected the referee is not going to allow them to screw it up or to have some administrative issue. If you guys want to go with a double foul and there is not a double foul, I would do everything to prevent that from happening. And if I did not do that, the assignor might want to know why I let that happen or what I was doing to prevent it. This is not about a book or the rules, but I would not allow you to call a double foul on a non-block/charge play and not have some say as to how it did not fit the current interpretations.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you and another official have a conflict it is expected the referee is not going to allow them to screw it up or to have some administrative issue.

If you and your crew routinely confer to settle such matters, and especially is you are the senior member and they look to you in such a situation, I have no problem with that, sounds good to me. But the fact is, if they do screw it up, call a double foul when it shouldn't be or whatever, and are not receptive to your advice, there is nothing you can do about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you and your crew routinely confer to settle such matters, and especially is you are the senior member and they look to you in such a situation, I have no problem with that, sounds good to me. But the fact is, if they do screw it up, call a double foul when it shouldn't be or whatever, and are not receptive to your advice, there is nothing you can do about it.

Most officials are not making the argument you are. Most officials agree that I have come in contact to call what happen first. I have yet other than you on this site to make such an argument that we must go with your interpretation of the rule. So this is not a hard issue with the people I have come in contact with. And the only situation I have ever heard someone to follow is you. I do not think I have to worry about this being an issue. If it is I am sure the Referee would be expected to not allow this to happen when something clearly happen first. Or that official that insisted to not follow the rules might not be working in that league or as many games in the future.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most officials are not making the argument you are.

The argument I'm making now is that if the other two officials call a foul, even if you are the referee, it is their call, not yours.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We do not use a mechanics book.

I have no problem with your local organization not using the NFHS manual, or the IAABO manual, but don't you have some guidelines written down somewhere so that rookie officials in your local area have something to study, to either pass some type of floor exam, or to improve their mechanics?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I have no problem with your local organization not using the NFHS manual, or the IAABO manual, but don't you have some guidelines written down somewhere so that rookie officials in your local area have something to study, to either pass some type of floor exam, or to improve their mechanics?

No.

I have said this before; we have the model of the NCAA when it comes to assigning in most areas I work. If the conference assignor likes you, they hire you. If they do not like you, they will not hire you. Most are not going to hire you without seeing you at camp. Our associations are only training organizations that teach guys how to officiate and sometimes run camps for the membership. It is up those that want to improve to attend the meetings or camps to get better. Those that know what they are doing will be noticed.

We are independent contractors here. You do what it takes to get better or you will get passed over like other professions.

Peace