Question and Advice

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

In lieu of that, at the very least, you should have gone to the coach and SOLD the fact that you had the SAME CALL your partner had.

I disagree. "Not just lie, but emphatically lie."

[btaylor64]

My opinion is that if it is a double whistle, it is dependent on who has the best angle. U have to know not only what u saw but see the play through your partner's position's eyes. If the play curled on you and you ended up with a closed look or a look that u believe is not as good as your partner's, then I believe you defer to him, but if you believe you had the best look of the whole entire crew then you owe it to them to trust what you saw, know that its the correct call and make it. I'm not big on having a bartered discussion on what should we do in regards to a def. Foul or off. Foul. Someone had the better look and saw the right thing, you just have to understand and realize who that was. There have plenty of times where I have deferred where, for example, an off. Player hooks a guy on a curl and I'm going offensive and my partner has a defensive foul and I give it up to him/her bc I know they had a good "see thru" look prior to the curl and I have also had the same play where I still call off. Foul bc the whistle came from the Lead After the curl had taken place and now the hooking of the defender makes it look like, in the lead's eyes, that the defender walks into the offensive player's space but it was the hook that made it look that way.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree. "Not just lie, but emphatically lie."

lol...really? Are you serious or kidding? What if it shows up on film? I partially turned my body and my arm wasn't going up in a common foul motion. He knew I had something out of the ordinary. I didn't have to explain it luckily because I lucked out and spent the next 5 mins of play opposite of him and he dropped it by the time I got around to him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

lol...really? Are you serious or kidding? What if it shows up on film? I partially turned my body and my arm wasn't going up in a common foul motion. He knew I had something out of the ordinary. I didn't have to explain it luckily because I lucked out and spent the next 5 mins of play opposite of him and he dropped it by the time I got around to him.

That's what I meant. He said to sell the fact that you had the same call as your partner, which would have been an emphatic lie. Hence I disagreed.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree. "Not just lie, but emphatically lie."

Your choice, Snaqs. I suppose your option would have been to have told the coach that you had something different and that your over-zealous partner took the call from you and may end up costing your team the game, coach.

I will support my partner in this case -- especially based on the OP's description of what happened. Disagree if you wish.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

I suppose your option would have been to have told the coach that you had something different and that your over-zealous partner took the call from you and may end up costing your team the game, coach. I will support my partner in this case.

“Coach, he was right there and had a great angle.”

“Coach, he had a great look, but if you have a specific question, you’ll have to ask him, he be over here in just a minute.”

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

“Coach, he was right there and had a great angle.”

“Coach, had a great look, but if you have a specific question, you’ll have to ask him, he be over here in just a minute.”

Yep and yep.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Your choice, Snaqs. I suppose your option would have been to have told the coach that you had something different and that your over-zealous partner took the call from you and may end up costing your team the game, coach.

I will support my partner in this case -- especially based on the OP's description of what happened. Disagree if you wish.

Really? You got that from what I wrote? How?

You don't have to lie in order to back your partner.

[Judtech]

Every pregame I am at the following, rather simplistic, sentences are uttered:
"Double whistles are good. Double signals are bad." (SOMETIMES it is uttered like Frankenstein, just to liven things up!)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

really? You got that from what i wrote? How?

You don't have to lie in order to back your partner.

+1

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Really? You got that from what I wrote? How?

You don't have to lie in order to back your partner.

...and, I guess, based on what you wrote, you don't have to tell the whole truth, either, do you? Once again, you handle this situation however you would like. I will do the same. I will respectfully disagree with you and you with me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

...and, I guess, based on what you wrote, you don't have to tell the whole truth, either, do you? Once again, you handle this situation however you would like. I will do the same. I will respectfully disagree with you and you with me.

No, he doesn't need the whole truth. If a coach asks what I had, and I had the same thing, I still probably wouldn't tell him to avoid him picking up on my contrasting answers with a different play later (or earlier).

I have a very difficult time offering a bald faced lie, though, in an avocation that depends heavily upon our integrity.

But you're right, do what works for you.