I think chseagle was my timer tonight

[biggravy]

I guess I am less tolerant as well. The administrator would be putting a sub at the table. No way I am continuing in that spot w/o him/her gone.

Chseagle, people are explaining things just great. You however have a lack of simple comprehension. This is a forum for REFEREES. People who wear striped shirts and whistles. You fail to comprehend that. You want to discuss your duties and all the authority you exude. We don't care. You are a T-I-M-E-R, not a R-E-F-E-R-E-E. You fail to understand that. Somehow, people reply to your trolling and actually discuss rules with you. They explain the rules and your duties to you. You fail to understand that. Finally, it has become painfully obvious that you have some kind of authority complex. You are hung up on not only officiating, but security and anything else that puts you in a position of power over people. You are a timer. You have no authority. Even if you did, authority will never make people respect you. Anyway, officiating basketball is not about authority. It is just about being a part of an educational experience for high school students. Since you want control over people, go start a cult. My Christmas wish is to see you banned from this forum, and I would suggest some psychological help to deal with your authority issues.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by biggravy

I guess I am less tolerant as well. The administrator would be putting a sub at the table. No way I am continuing in that spot w/o him/her gone.

"I explained the problem and asked him if he had another ECO. He said no but asked if he could talk to him and take care of the problem."

So you're going to refuse to rstart the game? You're going to forfeit the game? You're going to leave and go home?

[biggravy]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

"I explained the problem and asked him if he had another ECO. He said no but asked if he could talk to him and take care of the problem."

So you're going to refuse to rstart the game? You're going to forfeit the game? You're going to leave and go home?

Just don't think I would have 'explained the problem'. I would have said "he/she needs to go."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by biggravy

We don't care. You are a timer, not a referee. My Christmas wish is to see you banned from this forum.

Not everyone shares this opinion. I for one, do appreciate that we have table personnel, like SCalScoreKeeper, and chseagle, posting on the Forum. They certainly are an important part of the game, although not as important as chseagle thinks, and I believe that they can contribute a lot to this Forum. They can certainly provide a different perspective, much different than the officials, coaches, and fanboys that post here.

Now, that being said. chseagle: Please shut your mouth, and open your ears.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not everyone shares this opinion. I for one, do appreciate that we have table personnel, like SCalScoreKeeper, and chseagle, posting on the Forum. They certainly are an important part of the game, although not as important as chseagle thinks, and I believe that they can contribute a lot to this Forum. They can certainly provide a different perspective, much different than the officials, coaches, and fanboys that post here.

Now, that being said. chseagle: Please shut your mouth, and open your ears.

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[comical]

A few years ago I left a visiting player's name and number out of the book and didn't realize it until after the game had started (the visitors didn't have anyone at the table with a book). I usually have a coach from the visiting school check the book but for some reason didn't that night (I don't remember why).

I didn't say anything to anybody, just added the player's name and number to the book. It was my mistake and I just fixed it. That might not have been the way to handle it, but that's what I did.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by comical

A few years ago I left a visiting player's name and number out of the book and didn't realize it until after the game had started (the visitors didn't have anyone at the table with a book). I usually have a coach from the visiting school check the book but for some reason didn't that night (I don't remember why).

I didn't say anything to anybody, just added the player's name and number to the book. It was my mistake and I just fixed it. That might not have been the way to handle it, but that's what I did.

As the R, I check the book prior to the game and put a line under the last players name, so that shouldn't be able to happen without being noticeable.

That being said, I've never personally had to go back and check a book. Hmm....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Just don't think I would have 'explained the problem'. I would have said "he/she needs to go."

I like to think that I have better people skills than that. In that situation, you can't make the principal replace the timer if he doesn't have a competent replacement. Putting someone on the clock that doesn't know what he's doing just makes a bad situation worse. I worked with the principal and found a solution that enabled us to finish both games. In the end, he thanked me and we left the school on good terms.

Your way is pretty arrogant. You're telling him to replace him or else. It would be stupid to back yourself in a corner like that. That type of arrogance isn't going to help the situation.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Hello All,
I appreciate the sentiment and welcoming nature of the members of this board.When I first joined you all made me (even as a scorekeeper) feel incredibly welcome to participate.I came here as a professional development tool to gain a better understanding of the game and feel as if you all have helped me succeed in that regard and have enjoyed the humor from our senior members. Through this board I have gained an entirely new respect for what you all do night in and night out.

Sincerely,
Derryl Trujillo (Official Scorekeeper Woodcrest Christian Varsity Boys/Girls Basketball-Riverside,CA)

[comical]

Originally Posted by grunewar

As the R, I check the book prior to the game and put a line under the last players name, so that shouldn't be able to happen without being noticeable.

That being said, I've never personally had to go back and check a book. Hmm....

I'm a little hazy on the details because this was a few years ago, but two of the problems were that I was delayed in getting the names into the book for some reason (through no fault of the coach from the visiting school) and didn't have all the names in when the official came to check the book at the 10:00 minute mark.

The other problem was that the visiting team's roster had 18 or 19 players, more names than I had spaces for. I skipped a player's name and number while hurrying to get the names in the book and squeezing some of them into the available spaces. Because of the number of players, even if the official wanted to draw a line under the name of the last player, there wouldn't have been anyplace to put it.