I think chseagle was my timer tonight

[chseagle]

I'm used to the fact that 10-1-1 means all names/numbers are listed in the scorebook, as that is what I am used to is all I was getting at.

It is that I was thinking the intent & purpose is different compared to what is the norm concerning what I have witnessed/experienced.

Unfortunately different people see the purpose & intent differently

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And we've given you clarification. Your understanding is wrong.

The coach is required to supply the scorer with the name and number of each team member who may participate. (10-1-1)

The coach did that. The fact that both scorers failed to write #13's name in their books is a bookkeeping error. Therefore, the team is NOT penalized.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

It is that I was thinking the intent & purpose is different compared to what is the norm concerning what I have witnessed/experienced.

The intent and purpose is that the coach provide the scorer a team list prior to the 10 minute mark, not that the book be completed prior to the 10 minute mark.

Unfortunately different people see the purpose & intent differently

Fortunately, it makes no difference what a timer sees as the intent and purpose of the rule. It is not any part of the timer's job to do or say anything.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Unfortunately different people see the purpose & intent differently

Fortunately the people that count...the officials responsible for administering the rules...know the correct purpose and intent of the rule they are administering. Unfortunately though, some clueless timers won't accept that fact. Also unfortunately, those same clueless timers can't get through their thick heads that they have NOTHING to do with officiating the game. It doesn't matter one bit if any timer sees the purpose and intent of a rule differently than an official. The bottom line is that you don't get a vote. And if you want a say, well, you'd better know your audience. A lot of officials will simply tell the AD to get 'em a timer that knows enough to just time. I'm one of them.

Iow stick to what you're supposed to do and let us do what we're supposed to do.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I'm used to the fact that 10-1-1 means all names/numbers are listed in the scorebook, as that is what I am used to is all I was getting at.

Sigh.

It's not what we don't know that gets us in trouble, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so.

What you should have said about 4 posts ago was, "Thanks. I had a misconception on the rule, but now I understand."

[26 Year Gap]

Last year, a visiting club had provided the roster of names and numbers to the scorer at the prescribed time. The home scorer started complaining loudly that the visitors had not provided all of the information so she could enter it in the book. She got the home coach involved, who I discovered a few weeks ago was her husband. A shouting match ensued at which time I told them that the roster had been provided and that there would be no technical foul. Adversarial lines had been drawn in the sand and when the scorer missed a FT by the visitors it escalated. Eventually, the visitors coach was escorted out of the gym after going to the table and accusing the scorer of cheating.

IF, the scorer had kept her mouth shut and simply asked the referee what was required, it is likely that the situation would not have escalated. What rule does the scorer need to know? Rule 2-11. Nowhere does it speak of advising the HC or inciting the crowd. 2-11-2 was met and that is the end of it.

Rule 2-12 is for the timer. If the referee or umpire[s] want additional input that is not outlined in those two rules, it will be asked for by the referee or umpire[s].

Eagleboy, you may think you are smarter than a 5th grader, but when one or more of the long time officials gives an answer and you argue the point, it shows that the 5th grader is capable of gaining knowledge and you are not. Only if I were in Key West, would I be further away from having to tolerate your work at the table. For that, I am thankful.