Timeout/Layup = technical foul

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Then what's your position on this one, Nevada?

NFHS rule 5-12-5 states that players shall remain standing within the confines of the TO area during a 30-second TO. What do you do if the players sit down? WHACK? Note that the NFHS also made a point not to allow this particular behavior also.

I think in both cases (the TO and the "practicing"), a T could reasonably be issued if the official directs the team/player to comply and they refuse. The fact that there's no specific penalty in the rules doesn't mean it can't be considered unsporting to disregard the official's instructions at this point.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think in both cases (the TO and the "practicing"), a T could reasonably be issued if the official directs the team/player to comply and they refuse. The fact that there's no specific penalty in the rules doesn't mean it can't be considered unsporting to disregard the official's instructions at this point.

But unlike Nevada, you wouldn't call an immediate "T" for practicing without directing the team/player to comply first before issuing the "T"? Correct? Same for sitting during a 30-second TO?

It's a matter of WHACK versus Warn'n'WHACK.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

But unlike Nevada, you wouldn't call an immediate "T" for practicing without directing the team/player to comply first before issuing the "T"? Correct? Same for sitting during a 30-second TO?

It's a matter of WHACK versus Warn'n'WHACK.

Yes, I'd warn/direct compliance first. I like a good cup of tea as much as the next guy, but I'll be working middle school forever around here if I start looking for Ts like this and stretching the rules to call them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's a matter of WHACK versus Warn'n'WHACK.

I vote for the later, but only where the player, or players, are being real knuckleheads (I tried to type in some other words instead of knuckleheads but just kept getting a bunch of asterisks). Let's have a poll.

[26 Year Gap]

A better solution is to report the timeout & start the clock right away so his coach can chew him out for goofing off instead of coming to the bench.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

A better solution is to report the timeout & start the clock right away so his coach can chew him out for goofing off instead of coming to the bench.

Can't find it, I am sure we don't start the timeout until ALL players have returned to the bench.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Can't find it, I am sure we don't start the timeout until all players have returned to the bench.

IAABO Mechanics Manual: Page 79, I: State and signal to the timer to start the timing device when both teams are near their respective bench areas.

NFHS Manual, Page 38, 2.4.4.B.4: Within the reporting area, give the appropriate timeout signal again for the type of timeout (30 sec or 60 sec), verbally indicate the team color, verbally and visually give the player number or head coach (indicate by forming the shape of a “C” with the hand) making the request, and direct (visually/verbally) the timer to begin the timeout period.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO Mechanics Manual: Page 79, I: State and signal to the timer to start the timing device when both teams are near their respective bench areas.

NFHS Manual, Page 38, 2.4.4.B.4: Within the reporting area, give the appropriate timeout signal again for the type of timeout (30 sec or 60 sec), verbally indicate the team color, verbally and visually give the player number or head coach (indicate by forming the shape of a “C” with the hand) making the request, and direct (visually/verbally) the timer to begin the timeout period.

And I don't even start this (NFHS) sequence until the teams are at their benches, considering I'm finding the other (non-calling) coach first and informing him/her whether it's a 30-second or 60-second timeout.

There's no way in God's green earth I'm whacking a kid over this. There's no delay -- I don't care where the basketball is until I've finished reporting the timeout and there's no way we're going to be delayed *that* long.