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Team control BEGINS when a player holds or dribbles a live ball inbounds, or secures a jump ball with at least one foot on the floor.
Bainsey:Would you kindly supply a rules reference that includes this phrase?
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Old Tue Nov 30, 2010, 10:00pm
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Bainsey:Would you kindly supply a rules reference that includes this phrase?
Thanks for the heads up. I'll misread 4-12-1. Now, I seek clarity.

This passage says, "There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor..."

If a jumper catches a jump ball, it's a violation (6-3-7c). Why would team/player control even be covered on a violation, when the ball becomes dead?
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Old Tue Nov 30, 2010, 10:09pm
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll misread 4-12-1. Now, I seek clarity.

This passage says, "There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor..."

If a jumper catches a jump ball, it's a violation (6-3-7c). Why would team/player control even be covered on a violation, when the ball becomes dead?
A/P purposes?
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Old Tue Nov 30, 2010, 11:23pm
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I think that was what he was implying, he was just uncharacteristically terse. He must've been in a hurry to get lunch.

BTW, there is no definition of "offense", and more particularly no rule that tells us who is on offense and when. That is what makes the term "offensive foul" so meaningless in an NFHS or NCAA rules context. Based purely on my understanding of the "general usage" of the word, I would say that the throwing team during a throw-in is "on offense." But, obviously, they do not have team control.
You're right. It was more of a working lunch with the boss.

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Old Tue Nov 30, 2010, 11:25pm
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll misread 4-12-1. Now, I seek clarity.

This passage says, "There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor..."

If a jumper catches a jump ball, it's a violation (6-3-7c). Why would team/player control even be covered on a violation, when the ball becomes dead?
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A/P purposes?
That's exactly right. The verbIage was added recently to clarify that this violation does not constitute player control. I believe it was actually a reversal of the old ruling, under which this violation by A1 would give B the ball and the arrow.
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