Correctable Error/Live Ball

[Back In The Saddle]

"If an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." (NFHS 2-10-6)

Zoochy already pointed out that if you would not have a count, the ball is not at the team's disposal after a made basket. So you are still in the time frame to correct the error. Since the error is corrected, play is resumed from POI, which is the throw-in that follows A's basket. (Don't confused 2-10-6's use of "team possession", it is not the same thing as team control).

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"If an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." (NFHS 2-10-6)

Zoochy already pointed out that if you would not have a count, the ball is not at the team's disposal after a made basket. So you are still in the time frame to correct the error. Since the error is corrected, play is resumed from POI, which is the throw-in that follows A's basket. (Don't confused 2-10-6's use of "team possession", it is not the same thing as team control).

Has there been a change of possession?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Spence

Has there been a change of possession?

Yes. Ask yourself, whose ball is it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Spence

Has there been a change of possession?

Who cares? Read the case play cited. That's all you gotta do.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Who cares? Read the case play cited. That's all you gotta do.

The possession question is entirely separate from the at the disposal question. Whether the ball is at the thrower's disposal is key to determining if we're still within the time frame to correct the error. Whether there has been a change of possession is key to determining how to resume play after correcting the error.

[BillyMac]

[Nevadaref]

The response in post #3 by pizanno is not correct.
For the proper ruling see post #4 by Back in the Saddle.

As has been stated, once the throw-in count starts it is too late to correct the error of failing to award a merited FT.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The possession question is entirely separate from the at the disposal question. Whether the ball is at the thrower's disposal is key to determining if we're still within the time frame to correct the error. Whether there has been a change of possession is key to determining how to resume play after correcting the error.

Agree. I was commenting only on the error correction time frame, not the actual correction. At least I thought I was.

[ref2coach]

A question regarding "change of possession". (c.o.p.)

A1 is shooting an un-merited FT. (a)B1 or (b)A2 secures the rebound.
In (a) this would a c.o.p. in (b) it would not be c.o.p.?

Do I have that right?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

A question regarding "change of possession". (c.o.p.)

A1 is shooting an un-merited FT. (a)B1 or (b)A2 secures the rebound.
In (a) this would a c.o.p. in (b) it would not be c.o.p.?

Do I have that right?

I think there's some case (but it might be only NCAA, I forget) where (a) is NOT COP

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree. I was commenting only on the error correction time frame, not the actual correction. At least I thought I was.

I'm with ya now

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"If an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." (NFHS 2-10-6)

Zoochy already pointed out that if you would not have a count, the ball is not at the team's disposal after a made basket. So you are still in the time frame to correct the error. Since the error is corrected, play is resumed from POI, which is the throw-in that follows A's basket. (Don't confused 2-10-6's use of "team possession", it is not the same thing as team control).

So in the case discussed you line everyone up and resume after the second FT by A1 just like any other FT? Don't clear the lane for the second FT and give it to B for a throw-in?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So in the case discussed you line everyone up and resume after the second FT by A1 just like any other FT? Don't clear the lane for the second FT and give it to B for a throw-in?

No, the made basket equals a change in possession, even if B hadn't yet started their throwin. It's their ball, they just haven't started yet. One FT with the lane cleared, followed by an end-line throw-in for B.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, the made basket equals a change in possession, even if B hadn't yet started their throwin. It's their ball, they just haven't started yet. One FT with the lane cleared, followed by an end-line throw-in for B.

Oh okay....A's made basket. Got it.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

One FT with the lane cleared, followed by an end-line throw-in for B.

That's what I have. The key here, as I see it, is point of interruption. What's the P.O.I. after a field goal? Backcourt, end-line throw-in for the opponent. You can't line up folks on the correctable free throw if the ball is going to the other team.