Correctable Error/Live Ball

[Spence]

A1 is fouled. Table signals bonus. First FT is missed. A2 rebounds and Team A eventually scores on this possession. When the basket is made the table blows the horn and says it should have been 2 shots.

Assuming it's within the acceptable time to correct the error am I correct that the basket counts, A1 goes back to the line with the lane cleared, and then the ball goes OOB to B?

Secondly, one of the ways a ball becomes live is to "be available" to the thrower for a throw-in. In my scenario above at what point are we saying it "became available" in order to determine if it's still within the limits of correcting the error?

If B1 catches it out of the net and then is on his/her way to OOB in order to throw it in is that now live?

It seems like the window is so small for the ball to be dead that it's almost impossible to correct the error in this type of scenario.

Thoughts?

[Zoochy]

I do believe there was a clearification, this year, to your play.
Even though the ball is in the hands of B1, the ball is not 'Live' until you start your count for the throw-in. The window is small but not as small as you seem to think.

[pizanno]

No change of possession. Award 2nd FT with players lined up. Basket counts.

NCAA 2-12.5 When an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to correct the error, unless the correction involves the failure to award a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made. In that case, play shall resume as after any normal free throw.

I tried to find a reference that establishes ball at disposal = possession, but could not find. Anyone?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by pizanno

No change of possession. Award 2nd FT with players lined up. Basket counts.

NCAA 2-12.5 When an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to correct the error, unless the correction involves the failure to award a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made. In that case, play shall resume as after any normal free throw.

I tried to find a reference that establishes ball at disposal = possession, but could not find. Anyone?

I'm pretty sure the made basket constitutes a change of possession here; just as A kicking the ball out of bounds would have.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by pizanno

I tried to find a reference that establishes ball at disposal = possession, but could not find. Anyone?

NFHS case book play 6.1.2SitB COMMENT.

[Zoochy]

4-4-7d Clarified that the ball is at the disposal of a player when it is
available after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count

[Back In The Saddle]

"If an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." (NFHS 2-10-6)

Zoochy already pointed out that if you would not have a count, the ball is not at the team's disposal after a made basket. So you are still in the time frame to correct the error. Since the error is corrected, play is resumed from POI, which is the throw-in that follows A's basket. (Don't confused 2-10-6's use of "team possession", it is not the same thing as team control).

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"If an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." (NFHS 2-10-6)

Zoochy already pointed out that if you would not have a count, the ball is not at the team's disposal after a made basket. So you are still in the time frame to correct the error. Since the error is corrected, play is resumed from POI, which is the throw-in that follows A's basket. (Don't confused 2-10-6's use of "team possession", it is not the same thing as team control).

Has there been a change of possession?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Spence

Has there been a change of possession?

Yes. Ask yourself, whose ball is it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Spence

Has there been a change of possession?

Who cares? Read the case play cited. That's all you gotta do.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Who cares? Read the case play cited. That's all you gotta do.

The possession question is entirely separate from the at the disposal question. Whether the ball is at the thrower's disposal is key to determining if we're still within the time frame to correct the error. Whether there has been a change of possession is key to determining how to resume play after correcting the error.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"If an error is corrected, play shall be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." (NFHS 2-10-6)

Zoochy already pointed out that if you would not have a count, the ball is not at the team's disposal after a made basket. So you are still in the time frame to correct the error. Since the error is corrected, play is resumed from POI, which is the throw-in that follows A's basket. (Don't confused 2-10-6's use of "team possession", it is not the same thing as team control).

So in the case discussed you line everyone up and resume after the second FT by A1 just like any other FT? Don't clear the lane for the second FT and give it to B for a throw-in?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So in the case discussed you line everyone up and resume after the second FT by A1 just like any other FT? Don't clear the lane for the second FT and give it to B for a throw-in?

No, the made basket equals a change in possession, even if B hadn't yet started their throwin. It's their ball, they just haven't started yet. One FT with the lane cleared, followed by an end-line throw-in for B.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, the made basket equals a change in possession, even if B hadn't yet started their throwin. It's their ball, they just haven't started yet. One FT with the lane cleared, followed by an end-line throw-in for B.

Oh okay....A's made basket. Got it.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

One FT with the lane cleared, followed by an end-line throw-in for B.

That's what I have. The key here, as I see it, is point of interruption. What's the P.O.I. after a field goal? Backcourt, end-line throw-in for the opponent. You can't line up folks on the correctable free throw if the ball is going to the other team.