in-game signals between officials

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

During play, we'll look at the clock, not you. All we need you to do is pay attention and operate the clock.

So during the game you completely ignore the scorers' table? How's that going for you?

So you disregard 2-1-2?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So during the game you completely ignore the scorers' table? How's that going for you

Yeah because that is exactly what he said...

Originally Posted by chseagle

So you disregard 2-1-2?

I guess you ignore 2-1-12. I don't see anything in the timer's duties which says he is to notify the officials when there is 1 minute left.

It wouldn't surprise me if you said that sometimes you disable the scoreboard horn just so that you can run on the court and notify the referee that the period has ended.

[chseagle]

Cobra, what I am meaning is that (at least around here) it's the signal from the timer that gets the floor officials attention if there is an error/discrepancy.

I have never tampered with the Auto Horn button, unless I noticed it is off (which has never happened).

What happens if the visual scoreboard malfunctions & in order to keep time a stopwatch has to be used?

It's the scorers' table that usually alerts the coaches & floor officials of a player's 5th foul & periodically 7/10 team fouls.

Depending on the gym design, it's the scorers' table that alerts the floor officials of shot clock violations (for those that have shot clock).

During varsity games, the PA Announcer usually announces 1 minute remaining in the period/game.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cobra, what I am meaning is that (at least around here) it's the signal from the timer that gets the floor officials attention if there is an error/discrepancy.

A discrepancy in the score/timeouts/fouls and such? In the list of scorer's duties it says he is to notify the referee of a discrepancy.

Originally Posted by chseagle

What happens if the visual scoreboard malfunctions & in order to keep time a stopwatch has to be used?

Nothing, the timer does it. In the timer's duties it says he shall have a clock to time the game.

Originally Posted by chseagle

It's the scorers' table that usually alerts the coaches & floor officials of a player's 5th foul & periodically 7/10 team fouls.

Once again scorer's duties and scorer's duties.

What is your point with all of this stuff which the rule book says the timer and scorer shall do? It has nothing to do with the timer notifying the officials that there is 1 minute left.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cobra, what I am meaning is that (at least around here) it's the signal from the timer that gets the floor officials attention if there is an error/discrepancy.

What happens if the visual scoreboard malfunctions & in order to keep time a stopwatch has to be used?

It's the scorers' table that usually alerts the coaches & floor officials of a player's 5th foul & periodically 7/10 team fouls.

Depending on the gym design, it's the scorers' table that alerts the floor officials of shot clock violations (for those that have shot clock).

During varsity games, the PA Announcer usually announces 1 minute remaining in the period/game.

My point being in "Instructions To and Duties of Scorers and Timers for Basketball Games" under Scorer's Equipment it states:
"Scorebook, pencils, possession arrow and signaling device with sound different from that of the timer. The scorebook must be available for inspection at the table from 10 minutes prior to game time until the referee has approved the final score."

How can the scorer have a different signaling device when none is EVER available?

Concerning having to use stopwatches in lieu of working scoreboards, I've had to do it before 2 years ago during 4A Regionals. In that case we had to have some form of communication to let the floor officials know about shot clock violations & game time left using both hand & audio signals.

Originally Posted by Cobra

Nothing, the timer does it. In the timer's duties it says he shall have a clock to time the game.

Once again scorer's duties and scorer's duties.

What is your point with all of this stuff which the rule book says the timer and scorer shall do? It has nothing to do with the timer notifying the officials that there is 1 minute left.

I was just asking a question in case the floor officials wanted the table to notify them of 1 minute remaining.

Some floor officials welcome any help the scorers' table gives them, others don't (you seem to be of the latter).

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So during the game you completely ignore the scorers' table? How's that going for you?

You asked, "Concerning last minute of the period/game, is there some signal the timer can use to communicate to the floor officials "last minute"?"

I don't need you or any other timer to signal to me that there's less than 1 minute on the clock.

So you disregard 2-1-2?

The scorer and the timer assist me in the following ways. I expect both to pay attention to officials. I expect the scorer to communicate foul situations to me and nofity me when there's a discrepancy. I expect the timer to start/stop the clock appropriately, keep the correct score on the scoreboard, and sound the horn at the appropriate times.

I do not need you interjecting yourself into the game beyond those responsibilities.

what I am meaning is that (at least around here) it's the signal from the timer that gets the floor officials attention if there is an error/discrepancy.

We weren't discussing errors or disrepancies, were we? You asked what signal the timer should use to notify the officials when there's one minute left.

What happens if the visual scoreboard malfunctions & in order to keep time a stopwatch has to be used?

I believe I'll probably notice if the scoreboard stops working. We'll handle that if needed.

It's the scorers' table that usually alerts the coaches & floor officials of a player's 5th foul & periodically 7/10 team fouls.

No, it's the scorer that notifies us concerning foul situations and the timer hits the horn after a DQ. No signal from you is needed.

Depending on the gym design, it's the scorers' table that alerts the floor officials of shot clock violations (for those that have shot clock).

No, the shot clock buzzer sounds when that happens. We don't use a shot clock here.

During varsity games, the PA Announcer usually announces 1 minute remaining in the period/game.

Not mandated by the rules, nor does every game have a PA announcer, nor does it have anything to do with your responsibilities.

You need to focus on the things the rule book requires you to do and stop worrying about these other things. Otherwise, you become a nightmare for the officials working the game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You asked, "Concerning last minute of the period/game, is there some signal the timer can use to communicate to the floor officials "last minute"?"

I don't need you or any other timer to signal to me that there's less than 1 minute on the clock.

I do not need you interjecting yourself into the game beyond those responsibilities.

I believe I'll probably notice if the scoreboard stops working. We'll handle that if needed.

No, the shot clock buzzer sounds when that happens. We don't use a shot clock here.

You need to focus on the things the rule book requires you to do and stop worrying about these other things. Otherwise, you become a nightmare for the officials working the game.

Concerning the shot clock, I'm meaning the gym is so noisy that the buzzer cannot be heard.

I know it's not required for the PA Announcer to announce last minute in period/game.

As I have stated numerous times before, majority of the games I do are JV/C-Squad where the scorer is a student that seems to be there as a fan. So I have to go above & beyond what's required to ensure the game runs smoothly.

[BktBallRef]

No, you simply base more importance on your position than necessary and interject yourself in the game where it's not needed. That's very apparent from your posts over the past year.

You would be better served following the instructions given to you and work to be the best you can be as a timer. If you want a more active role in the game, then became an official. Until such time as you choose to do that, run the clock appropriately, keep an accurate score, and use the horn when you're supposed to.