Primary Coverage area

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

I just wanted the OP to know that there are exceptions to the "dont call in MY area, rookie" mindset.

And I think the others were rightly disagreeing with you: if you're really addressing a rookie, then that's substantively good advice (depending on tone of voice). Rookies should probably never call outside of their area; better to miss a few in a MS girls game than end up a ballhawk (good term!) and be stuck doing MS girls forever.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by mbyron

And I think the others were rightly disagreeing with you: if you're really addressing a rookie, then that's substantively good advice (depending on tone of voice). Rookies should probably never call outside of their area; better to miss a few in a MS girls game than end up a ballhawk (good term!) and be stuck doing MS girls forever.

Extremely good advice (as usual).

Another way to think of all of this is: PRIMARY doesn't mean ONLY. Otherwise, they'd call it the "Only Coverage Area."

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

And I think the others were rightly disagreeing with you: if you're really addressing a rookie, then that's substantively good advice (depending on tone of voice). Rookies should probably never call outside of their area; better to miss a few in a MS girls game than end up a ballhawk (good term!) and be stuck doing MS girls forever.

Thats why rookies should find a mentor, simply saying "stay out of MY area" w/out explaining the reasoning can be quite confusing.
It hasn't been too long since I was in The Rookies shoes & had to invest big bucks to attend camps & unlearn all the MS/HS bs

Officiating your PCA with great accuracy, seeing as many of the other players as possible & knowing where the ball & your partner(s) are, is what its all about.

I hear what you're saying but lets teach them the right way, not tell them half truths.

2 person game, (L is a vet & the T is a rookie) down by 1 late in the 4th Q A1 drives to the basket from the Ls area (opposite table) B1 quickly grabs & releases the tableside arm & the ball goes out on the endline. The L points the other way, the T sees what the entire bench sees.
The rookie passed on the obvious foul for fear of "calling in front of the vet."
A1 picks up an intentional foul on the subsequent throw-in & now the benches clear. Was that right for the game?

Assignor: What happened out there? The tape clearly shows a foul!

Vet: I didnt see it...

Rookie: I saw it, the coach saw that I saw it but he told me in pregame to stay in my area & he would stay in his.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Assignor: What happened out there? The tape clearly shows a foul!

Vet: I didnt see it...

Rookie: I saw it, the coach saw that I saw it but he told me in pregame to stay in my area & he would stay in his.

As an evaluator or someone that acts as a clinician in my state, I would ask a different question. I would ask the person that had the play in their primary "What did you see?" Then let them explain what they saw. They may have a very good reason why they did or did not make a call. Even if the rookie makes a call, does not mean they saw the entire play. They might have seen the second or third action which still would be wrong. And if they make a call out of their area, they better not miss anything in their area. So that "I saw the foul but we talked about that..." may not save you.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tref

Thats why rookies should find a mentor, simply saying "stay out of MY area" w/out explaining the reasoning can be quite confusing.
It hasn't been too long since I was in The Rookies shoes & had to invest big bucks to attend camps & unlearn all the MS/HS bs

Officiating your PCA with great accuracy, seeing as many of the other players as possible & knowing where the ball & your partner(s) are, is what its all about.

I hear what you're saying but lets teach them the right way, not tell them half truths.

2 person game, (L is a vet & the T is a rookie) down by 1 late in the 4th Q A1 drives to the basket from the Ls area (opposite table) B1 quickly grabs & releases the tableside arm & the ball goes out on the endline. The L points the other way, the T sees what the entire bench sees.
The rookie passed on the obvious foul for fear of "calling in front of the vet."
A1 picks up an intentional foul on the subsequent throw-in & now the benches clear. Was that right for the game?

Assignor: What happened out there? The tape clearly shows a foul!

Vet: I didnt see it...

Rookie: I saw it, the coach saw that I saw it but he told me in pregame to stay in my area & he would stay in his.

Not sure what you mean by all the HS bs?

[tref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Not sure what you mean by all the HS bs?

Originally Posted by tref

Sometimes we have to go outside of our PCA for the good of the GAME.

Many plays during the GAME should be refereed using a team officiating concept.

I've noticed that officials who attend camps regularly & work at higher levels are more open to this mindset:

1. BE late (give the proper official an opportunity to make the call)
2. BE needed (dont go fishing for a marginal violation/incidental contact)
3. BE right (no explanation needed)

In addition to those things, "dont call in my area", "I dont care if its a gamer, let him live & die with that IC"... shall I go on?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tref

In addition to those things, "dont call in my area", "I dont care if its a gamer, let him live & die with that IC"... shall I go on?

Been using 3 b's for years, I 'just' do high school games and I guess I'm lucky, my partners tend to have a team concept.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Anyway, doesn't this topic really come down to communication? In the pre-game, I always tell my partner that I have no problem if he calls something in my PCA, as I could have been straightlined, and ultimately, it's about getting it right on the court and serving the players, not each other's ratings.

Thats whats up!

Originally Posted by fullor30

Been using 3 b's for years, I 'just' do high school games and I guess I'm lucky, my partners tend to have a team concept.

You are in a fortunate situation!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

You are in a fortunate situation!

Fullor30 is from my area. That is what is taught all over the area and in many parts of the state.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

It hasn't been too long since I was in The Rookies shoes & had to invest big bucks to attend camps & unlearn all the MS/HS bs.

You had to UNLEARN all the high school bs? You NEVER knew the HS bs(as you call it) that well, Ch!town.

Lah me.....delusions of grandeur.

What 90% of the people on this forum do is High School bs......

[tref]

Makes sense Snaqs!

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You had to UNLEARN all the high school bs? You NEVER knew the HS bs(as you call it) that well, Ch!town.

Lah me.....delusions of grandeur.

What 90% of the people on this forum do is High School bs......

I hear ya JR... way to put your own spin on it. Never said the HS level was bs, the mentality of some who work that level is though.

As long as the people that do the hiring & scheduling like what I do
Your internet opinions of me & my abilities simply do not matter. But I told you this once before.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Makes sense Snaqs!



I hear ya JR... way to put your own spin on it. Never said the HS level was bs, the mentality of some who work that level is though.

As long as the people that do the hiring & scheduling like what I do
Your internet opinions of me & my abilities simply do not matter. But I told you this once before.

Oh, I don't know, I've run into more college bs from a smaller sample of officials than bad high school attitudes.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Oh, I don't know, I've run into more college bs from a smaller sample of officials than bad high school attitudes.

Speaking more on mental approaches to the GAME than individual attitudes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Speaking more on mental approaches to the GAME than individual attitudes.

So you're saying that the high school game has a mental approach that is inherently problematic (aka "bs")?

Such as?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Oh, I don't know, I've run into more college bs from a smaller sample of officials than bad high school attitudes.

I have said this before and I will say this again. The best officials I have worked at the high school level are almost always college officials or have college experience. And the main reason is they go to camps on a regular basis and they realize their responsibility. And most of all they do not defer to others to take care of business or speak for them. Many long time high school veterans do things they did 20 years ago and stop evolving as officiating as evolved in that same time.

Peace