Primary Coverage area

[tref]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Why is it a sensitive issue when one official makes a call outside of his primary area?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this depends on where and who you officiate with and where and who made a call.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good point. But sometimes you can look through your area and see part of your partner's area in your field of vision. Plus we are supposed to be aware of where the ball is, and where our partner is, and in doing so, we may see that gorilla, or elephant, when our partner is getting some pixie dust out of his eye.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

As well as what you have said, if there are no matchups in your area, you are supposed to expand into your partner's area and referee the matchups away from the ball. Plus each official has secondary areas where he is expected to blow (e.g., if the L goes wide to cover a matchup at the three point line, T extends and picks up the post).

+1

Remember our main objective is to get calls right! Sometimes we have to go outside of our PCA for the good of the GAME. Officials that are in it for the GAME understand this & generally thank their partners for having their backside covered.

Many plays during the GAME should be refereed using a team officiating concept. There are front & back sides to screening plays... I've noticed that officials who attend camps regularly & work at higher levels are more open to this mindset.

I was told to follow the 3 Bs when going outside of my PCA:
1. BE late (give the proper official an opportunity to make the call)
2. BE needed (dont go fishing for a marginal violation/incidental contact)
3. BE right (no explanation needed)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

+1

Remember our main objective is to get calls right! Sometimes we have to go outside of our PCA for the good of the GAME. Officials that are in it for the GAME understand this & generally thank their partners for having their backside covered.

Many plays during the GAME should be refereed using a team officiating concept. There are front & back sides to screening plays... I've noticed that officials who attend camps regularly & work at higher levels are more open to this mindset.

I was told to follow the 3 Bs when going outside of my PCA:
1. BE late (give the proper official an opportunity to make the call)
2. BE needed (dont go fishing for a marginal violation/incidental contact)
3. BE right (no explanation needed)

My only quibble is with newer officials. The OP is a newer official, and in my opinion, they really need to focus on learning how to stay in their primary. The ability to see elephants outside the primary comes with experience.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My only quibble is with newer officials. The OP is a newer official, and in my opinion, they really need to focus on learning how to stay in their primary. The ability to see elephants outside the primary comes with experience.

Agreed. Rookies (and all of us were once rookies) ballhawk. They don't have the discipline and understanding to stay in their area.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My only quibble is with newer officials. The OP is a newer official, and in my opinion, they really need to focus on learning how to stay in their primary. The ability to see elephants outside the primary comes with experience.

Absolutely Snaqs!!
We must first discipline ourselves to referee effeciently in our own PCA before assisting our partners.

I just wanted the OP to know that there are exceptions to the "dont call in MY area, rookie" mindset.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

I just wanted the OP to know that there are exceptions to the "dont call in MY area, rookie" mindset.

And I think the others were rightly disagreeing with you: if you're really addressing a rookie, then that's substantively good advice (depending on tone of voice). Rookies should probably never call outside of their area; better to miss a few in a MS girls game than end up a ballhawk (good term!) and be stuck doing MS girls forever.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by mbyron

And I think the others were rightly disagreeing with you: if you're really addressing a rookie, then that's substantively good advice (depending on tone of voice). Rookies should probably never call outside of their area; better to miss a few in a MS girls game than end up a ballhawk (good term!) and be stuck doing MS girls forever.

Extremely good advice (as usual).

Another way to think of all of this is: PRIMARY doesn't mean ONLY. Otherwise, they'd call it the "Only Coverage Area."

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

And I think the others were rightly disagreeing with you: if you're really addressing a rookie, then that's substantively good advice (depending on tone of voice). Rookies should probably never call outside of their area; better to miss a few in a MS girls game than end up a ballhawk (good term!) and be stuck doing MS girls forever.

Thats why rookies should find a mentor, simply saying "stay out of MY area" w/out explaining the reasoning can be quite confusing.
It hasn't been too long since I was in The Rookies shoes & had to invest big bucks to attend camps & unlearn all the MS/HS bs

Officiating your PCA with great accuracy, seeing as many of the other players as possible & knowing where the ball & your partner(s) are, is what its all about.

I hear what you're saying but lets teach them the right way, not tell them half truths.

2 person game, (L is a vet & the T is a rookie) down by 1 late in the 4th Q A1 drives to the basket from the Ls area (opposite table) B1 quickly grabs & releases the tableside arm & the ball goes out on the endline. The L points the other way, the T sees what the entire bench sees.
The rookie passed on the obvious foul for fear of "calling in front of the vet."
A1 picks up an intentional foul on the subsequent throw-in & now the benches clear. Was that right for the game?

Assignor: What happened out there? The tape clearly shows a foul!

Vet: I didnt see it...

Rookie: I saw it, the coach saw that I saw it but he told me in pregame to stay in my area & he would stay in his.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Assignor: What happened out there? The tape clearly shows a foul!

Vet: I didnt see it...

Rookie: I saw it, the coach saw that I saw it but he told me in pregame to stay in my area & he would stay in his.

As an evaluator or someone that acts as a clinician in my state, I would ask a different question. I would ask the person that had the play in their primary "What did you see?" Then let them explain what they saw. They may have a very good reason why they did or did not make a call. Even if the rookie makes a call, does not mean they saw the entire play. They might have seen the second or third action which still would be wrong. And if they make a call out of their area, they better not miss anything in their area. So that "I saw the foul but we talked about that..." may not save you.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tref

Thats why rookies should find a mentor, simply saying "stay out of MY area" w/out explaining the reasoning can be quite confusing.
It hasn't been too long since I was in The Rookies shoes & had to invest big bucks to attend camps & unlearn all the MS/HS bs

Officiating your PCA with great accuracy, seeing as many of the other players as possible & knowing where the ball & your partner(s) are, is what its all about.

I hear what you're saying but lets teach them the right way, not tell them half truths.

2 person game, (L is a vet & the T is a rookie) down by 1 late in the 4th Q A1 drives to the basket from the Ls area (opposite table) B1 quickly grabs & releases the tableside arm & the ball goes out on the endline. The L points the other way, the T sees what the entire bench sees.
The rookie passed on the obvious foul for fear of "calling in front of the vet."
A1 picks up an intentional foul on the subsequent throw-in & now the benches clear. Was that right for the game?

Assignor: What happened out there? The tape clearly shows a foul!

Vet: I didnt see it...

Rookie: I saw it, the coach saw that I saw it but he told me in pregame to stay in my area & he would stay in his.

Not sure what you mean by all the HS bs?

[tref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Not sure what you mean by all the HS bs?

Originally Posted by tref

Sometimes we have to go outside of our PCA for the good of the GAME.

Many plays during the GAME should be refereed using a team officiating concept.

I've noticed that officials who attend camps regularly & work at higher levels are more open to this mindset:

1. BE late (give the proper official an opportunity to make the call)
2. BE needed (dont go fishing for a marginal violation/incidental contact)
3. BE right (no explanation needed)

In addition to those things, "dont call in my area", "I dont care if its a gamer, let him live & die with that IC"... shall I go on?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

It hasn't been too long since I was in The Rookies shoes & had to invest big bucks to attend camps & unlearn all the MS/HS bs.

You had to UNLEARN all the high school bs? You NEVER knew the HS bs(as you call it) that well, Ch!town.

Lah me.....delusions of grandeur.

What 90% of the people on this forum do is High School bs......

[tref]

Makes sense Snaqs!

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You had to UNLEARN all the high school bs? You NEVER knew the HS bs(as you call it) that well, Ch!town.

Lah me.....delusions of grandeur.

What 90% of the people on this forum do is High School bs......

I hear ya JR... way to put your own spin on it. Never said the HS level was bs, the mentality of some who work that level is though.

As long as the people that do the hiring & scheduling like what I do
Your internet opinions of me & my abilities simply do not matter. But I told you this once before.